yeah, I mean, essentially, if you really actually want to play EVE, you're obviously going to pay for the sub. It would be pointless to be serious about playing and not pay the sub. The free to play part is more about enticing new players. I think EVE has been most successful at building a community. WoW had a community for a long time, until they introduced cross-server queuing for battlegrounds and PvE dungeons in an attempt to solve queue wait time problems. .which is a tribute to their ability to produce a well polished game.