The truth of used games and Xbox One

[Ayo]

Instead of spending damn near $600 on a PS4/XBOX...drop that in a PC that you will only have to upgrade incrementally.

Chances are you already have a nice TV...join us breh. You know you want to

Steam is pretty much equivalent to this with a few minor differences. 30 days offline. Games are cheaper.

But unlike the XBOX One the PC does offer alternatives to STEAM and physical disks are still available for a lot of games.

 

[L@CaT]

SOHH if you buy a used game from GameStop will Microsoft charge you again when you load up the game with their own used games fee's?

If so

 

[Rekkapryde]

Regardless of what the policy ends up being. The ability to access my entire games library on the fly instantly, trumps the ability to trade games with little Timmy down the street.

Gaming will be more expensive this gen( as it has been with each prior gen) as long as the experience improves I see no problem with it. In any other industry inovation is met with open arms, even if it costs more money.

Gamers want to hold on to old ideas, yet press for inovation, and complain about the costs. Sometimes it seems the entire industry is just a bunch of grown ass spoiled, whiny, babies.

Bolded depends on internet connection. So as with the 24 hour check in, if you don't have an internet connection, will you be able to play? If not, they will hurt their customer base IMMENSELY. This is a big deal.

Cloud gaming is innovation, and there's a reason BOTH MS and Sony are using it this gen. however, one is using it as a means for DRM. That Simcity disaster still lingers.

Latency is big with cloud gaming/streaming. Those with suspect connection if this becomes the norm.

If you don't have an internet connection at home, you don't need to buy an Xbox One. That's what it boils down to. You probably aren't the customer that will be hurt by this but there are many who are. Portability to areas and places with no internet connection also hurts the X1.

Gamestop is REALLY fukked with this decision. To only get 10% of the sale? Tops?

It's a wrap for them nikkaz. I aint but damn that sucks. There is absoluately ZERO incentive for them to push Xbox 1 this holiday season. And you will see that. Please believe it

Ball is definitely in Sony's court and favor right now.

All they have to do is 1) prove they aren't using an online DRM and allow offline play (already confirmed), 2) come in at the same price or cheaper
and 3) let gamestop eat better and they're good.

 

[winb83]

This is stupid. But this is just the start. All software (games included) will be a service soon. It will take 10 years or so. But this is the direction we are headed in.

We won't own shyt soon. It will all be lent to us.

Adobe just killed all of their physical software and it's a monthly fee now. Microsoft is headed in that direction with Office.

The video game industry is next. And if millions of people buy the XBOX One and put up with this bullshyt it will open the doors further.

you don't own any of the software you have now you own a license to use the software on the disc as dictated by the EULA. the difference is since the method of delivery and use is a physical disc with no further method of control you can do things with that disc they can't control you can do things like loan the game to a friend which is against the EULA but they can't stop you.

once games go all digital they can enforce the EULA fully.

 

[Rekkapryde]

SOHH if you buy a used game from GameStop will Microsoft charge you again when you load up the game with their own used games fee's?

If so

If you buy a used 40 dollar copy of let's say Madden 14, Gamestop gets 4 dollars of the revenue from the sale ( ) and MS/Publisher gets the other 36. After that you're good. You don't have to pay again to MS to play since they already getting a cut from the resale. Only person fukked in the situation is Rapestop (and you know they aren't happy with this shyt).

I don't see Sony doing the same at the system level for 1 main reason:

Used gaming is fukking HUGE in Japan. Sony would be giving a big fukk you to used game retailers in Japan if they do the same shyt MS is doing. Publishers will more than likely have to figure out something on their own.

With Xbox one, unless your friend is over at your crib with you and you have an internet connection available for him to authenticate his game over at your crib, you won't be able to play his copy of the game.

 

[Ayo]

you don't own any of the software you have now you own a license to use the software on the disc as dictated by the EULA. the difference is since the method of delivery and use is a physical disc with no further method of control you can do things with that disc they can't control you can do things like loan the game to a friend which is against the EULA but they can't stop you.

once games go all digital they can enforce the EULA fully.

We've come a long way since the Sierra games write protection or the Leisure Suit Larry games that used to ask you questions out of the manual.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Sony>>>Microsoft

I know you feel that way rekka, but it doesn't change the fact that publishers are coming for that money regardless to how the system is implemented.

 

[Rekkapryde]

if they don't adopt it they won't be selling used X1 games plain and simple...something is better then nothing...

Xbox 1 display at the back of the store confirmed....

The nikkaz lost hard.

Time for a thread.

 

[23Barrettcity]

I think people are tripping if they think one console will have a vastly different system from the other

You never know . Sony is losing money they can't afford to

People just like to complain. All the dudes that are upset about the used game scenario, used to bash the idea of buying/selling used games. Now they are all champions for the used game market

so ?? I'm sure they were complaining about the little bit of money you receive for the trade in but how many people say they don't want the option of trading games ??? There are other outlets and you can't even lend games or bring them to other people's houses without using your info

big question is why would Gamestop do this..

It's not cheap to implement a POS system just because M$ said so. Also, gamestop would be stupid to adopt this since they are only getting 10% of the cut. What's more is why would people trade in their new games when they'll be worth $10-$20 and M$ and publishers can recharge again to the new customer buying the now used game.

Makes no sense for gamestop to adopt this system.

Yeah it's confusing :/ I don't even sell games but I do lend them out and I do buy some used games. Like if I never played a game that isn't part of a established series and I hear good things I might cop it later out of boredom .

Regardless of what the policy ends up being. The ability to access my entire games library on the fly instantly, trumps the ability to trade games with little Timmy down the street.

Gaming will be more expensive this gen( as it has been with each prior gen) as long as the experience improves I see no problem with it. In any other industry inovation is met with open arms, even if it costs more money.

Gamers want to hold on to old ideas, yet press for inovation, and complain about the costs. Sometimes it seems the entire industry is just a bunch of grown ass spoiled, whiny, babies.

You sound like a Microsoft shill . Who's complaining about innovation ?? They can implement those features and allow you to share games with friends . It's your fukking game I spend 70 dollars I can damn sure decide if I want to lend it to my little brother or cousin who have a ps4 or Xbox . I hope game publishers will do the right thing and make sure their games have enough content to warrant me keeping it forever

 

[Rekkapryde]

I know you feel that way rekka, but it doesn't change the fact that publishers are coming for that money regardless to how the system is implemented.

I agree. How they get the money on the Sony end will be interesting since it won't be done at the system level like the X1 (lord that is a horrible name)

EA: "INTRODUCING OUR ONLINE PA....I MEAN PLAYAGAIN FEATURE!!!!"



But how will EA get a cut of a used game with an online DRM if the user doesn't connect online? Even if there is an activation code. If you re-enter the used game activation code and don't go online, how can EA stop you.

Sony knows and does care that not all of their customers have internet connections and still want to play. Its a reason why they include firmware updates on discs for those without internet.

So for broke nikkaz with no internet, the bottomline is do not cop an Xbox 1.

 

[23Barrettcity]

you don't own any of the software you have now you own a license to use the software on the disc as dictated by the EULA. the difference is since the method of delivery and use is a physical disc with no further method of control you can do things with that disc they can't control you can do things like loan the game to a friend which is against the EULA but they can't stop you.

once games go all digital they can enforce the EULA fully.

I get what your saying but them trying this shyt will hurt their sales and will open up a bunch of lawsuits since Eulas are kind of shady . Any time you have to agree to a contract and its take it or leave it and the terms come up after the item is already purchased it leaves alot of grey . You think ms wants a bunch of lawsuits and negative press ?

 

[Rekkapryde]

I get what your saying but them trying this shyt will hurt their sales

Yup.

 

[daze23]

You never know . Sony is losing money they can't afford to

it's more about the publishers and what they want. consumers love to talk shyt and make boycott threats, but at the end of the day most bend over and pay $20 for 3 new maps

 

[23Barrettcity]

I agree. How they get the money on the Sony end will be interesting since it won't be done at the system level like the X1 (lord that is a horrible name)

EA: "INTRODUCING OUR ONLINE PA....I MEAN PLAYAGAIN FEATURE!!!!"



But how will EA get a cut of a used game with an online DRM if the user doesn't connect online? Even if there is an activation code. If you re-enter the used game activation code and don't go online, how can EA stop you.

Sony knows and does care that not all of their customers have internet connections and still want to play. Its a reason why they include firmware updates on discs for those without internet.

So for broke nikkaz with no internet, the bottomline is do not cop an Xbox 1.

The only thing is Sony needs that Asian base and if they try to screw used gene retailers well e3 will decide how Sony does it and the fact x1 goes first balls in their court if they want to spin this

 

[Rekkapryde]

The only thing is Sony needs that Asian base and if they try to screw used gene retailers well e3 will decide how Sony does it and the fact x1 goes first balls in their court if they want to spin this