The United States Flies B52s through China's expanded security zone :birdman:

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sounds like you're hella uninformed.

China can't get anyone to live in those cities. They're losing on those investments like a muh...


Correction, they can't get anyone to live in those cities at market prices that the central bankers that they're in bed with want to charge. Slave labor is in full effect in China.

Other hand China has the fastest growing group of millionaires and billionaires for those connected, including government officials and their families.
 

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Barry O must of saw that Chinese barber thread on The Coli, he had to respond
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mobilizing troops? :russ:

neither group of citizenry wants this war...and its highly highly unlikely any type of ground invasion would ever happen.

this is just a bunch of bluffing back and forth...china may have slight leverage if they get smart with the yuan and can convince the world to come off the dollar but this shyt isnt coming down to ground troops, ill tell you that much.
 

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They have no export industry without the U.S. consumer.

Many are taking/making the money and moving to the U.S./West and thus doing the consuming.

A Chinese Group Plans To Construct A 200 Acre “China City” In Michigan

A Chinese group known as “Sino-Michigan Properties LLC” has bought up 200 acres of land near the town of Milan, Michigan. Their plan is to construct a “China City” with artificial lakes, a Chinese cultural center and hundreds of housing units for Chinese citizens. Essentially, it would be a little slice of communist China dropped right into the heartland of America.




Take the Money and Run: China's Ill-Gotten Wealth Flees Overseas

November 27, 2013


Source: Charles Hugh Smith
The front door is covered with official pronouncements of "the China Dream" and blustery demands of hegemony, but the back door is choked with members of the financial/political Elite fleeing China and taking their wealth with them.
The first thing to understand about China is there is always a front door and a back door to everything. The front door is what's presented to the outside world; the back door is for everything that doesn't fit the PR image created by the front door.
The front door presents positive "face," the back door is for everything that would "lose face," so it's hidden and never discussed, except in private, and only with trusted family or friends.
A friend who once worked for the Chinese government recently returned home after several years absence, and found that all her bosses had moved to the West:Australia, Canada, etc. These were typical officials: their base salary was low but they managed to buy multiple homes, support mistresses, have upscale autos, and so on.
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In a word, ill-gotten wealth.There are tens of thousands of these beneficiaries of China's boom in credit and corruption, and they have all either fled (with their ill-gotten wealth) to the West or "safe-haven" East (Singapore, for example).
Those who haven't fled yet have passports to a safe haven, and cash and homes overseas awaiting their arrival.
It is common knowledge that the offspring of top officials all have passports and homes awaiting them in the West.
That every one of your political bosses has left China is an astounding revelation into the mindset of those who have benefited most from China's boom: they obviously fear that some upheaval could strip away their ill-gotten wealth, otherwise, why not simply move to some wealthy enclave in China?
The front door is covered with official pronouncements of the China Dream and blustery demands of hegemony, but the back door is choked with members of the financial/political Elite fleeing China and taking their wealth with them. All of this is well-known, yet it is spoken of in hushed tones, lest China lose face from this wholesale exodus of those who strip-mined the nation with credit and corruption.
If the Elites had any faith in China's future, and in the security of their wealth, why would they be fleeing China in perhaps the greatest peacetime exodus of wealth the world has ever seen? Estimates of the money flowing out of China are merely guesses, of course, but the numbers run into the tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars.
Those in the political/financial Elites have the best information about conditions in China. What speaks louder, actions, or empty words? Actions, without a doubt. It's difficult to see how China can be as stable as advertised when its monied Elites all have back doors out of the country and homes awaiting them in the West. The most fearful (or guilty) aren't waiting around to risk the future in China; they're already long gone. What does that say about the front door pronouncements of hegemony and dreams? The inconvenient truth is the Chinese Dream is to live in Palo Alto:
Why Chinese People Buy So Many Homes in Palo Alto (The Atlantic)
Chinese Dream: To Become the Father of an American, by Jia Jia "When Bill Clinton visited China in 1998, a female student named Ma Nan at Peking University stood up and denounced the appalling human rights condition in the US. She was supposed to file a question, but she sounded more like she was delivering a lecture. Later on, she married an American man, gave birth to a son, became the mother of an American, and departed China for good."

China’s outward investment
The second wave
What to make of Chinese firms’ latest foreign purchases
Oct 26th 2013 | SHANGHAI

HAS China arrived at its Rockefeller Centre moment? In the late 1980s as Japan’s miracle economy was soaring, the Mitsubishi Estate Company bought the Rockefeller Centre in Manhattan, a landmark complex built by the eponymous oil and banking clan. Alas, Mitsubishi had to sell, at a big loss, after Japan’s asset bubble popped. Now it is Chinese firms that are seeking such trophies in New York.

Fosun International, a Chinese conglomerate, has just agreed to pay $725m for 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza, a skyscraper near Wall Street, commissioned by David Rockefeller and completed in 1961. This follows a recent investment by Greenland, a Chinese state-owned firm, in Atlantic Yards, a big development in Brooklyn. Earlier this year a consortium involving Zhang Xin, a founder of Soho China, a private property giant, bought a stake in the General Motors Building in Manhattan.

It does not necessarily follow that this assault on New York will also end in tears. Whereas Mitsubishi overpaid, the Chinese investors seem to be negotiating reasonable deals. Michael Cohen of Colliers International, a property-services firm, says that although Fosun must modernise the ageing Chase tower, “The price per square foot appears to be a bargain.”

A shift is under way in China’s overseas direct investment (ODI), which is growing fast but is still dwarfed by foreign investment into China (see chart). The first wave largely involved state-owned firms, and was directed at acquiring energy, minerals and land in poor countries. Resource insecurity lingers—witness the 20% stake taken this week by Chinese state firms in Libra, a giant Brazilian offshore oilfield—but it is no longer the driving force. New motives propel the second wave.

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China’s government is keen to boost the miserable yields it gets on its overseas investments, argues Thilo Hanemann of Rhodium Group, a consultant. So it is now encouraging state firms to invest in property in prime locations, and in infrastructure and other assets in mature markets. In Britain, they have invested in Thames Water and Heathrow airport. This week the British government said a consortium involving Chinese state firms could build a nuclear-power station in the west of England.

Private firms seeking brands and technology are also playing a big role in this second wave. Geely, a Chinese carmaker, bought Volvo of Sweden. Dongfeng, another Chinese firm, is said to be considering buying a stake in Peugeot-Citroën, an ailing French carmaker. On October 22nd Alibaba, a Chinese e-commerce giant, said it would open a new division in America to invest exclusively in internet start-ups. And Lenovo, a computer-maker, is preparing a bid for Canada’s BlackBerry.

As a result, the share of Chinese ODI going to rich countries has shot up from just a tenth in 2002 to two-thirds last year. Like Japan before it, China could yet experience a crash. But the shift in investment from free-spending state firms seeking resources to frugal private ones chasing markets and innovation is a positive sign.
 
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Hahahaha they sent those bombers the night after china announced it, the recon wont start until after chinese new years (jan 2014). the U.S sent those Korean and Japanese planes to save face in front of their allies, but I bet they wont fly them after Jan. Word around town, is china WILL shoot them down, AND behind the scene, sell 1 billion dollars of bonds (your media wont tell yout that part). Lets just say, there will be no flights in 2014. Bet. :pachaha:
 

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Oh and yea, they're buying parts of Michigan, PHX and Cali. You sucka ass patriots they're selling your land to the chinese while you wave a little flag, dumbass. :heh:

they're slowly positioning themselves to be able to crush the U.S economy and keep there's afloat in the future, you think they dont know they cant compete on a military level? the U.S is too advanced, but the chinese aren't stupid, if you cant knock him out, hit the body, he'll curl into a ball. Your economy will be strategically ran by the Chinese, kinda of like how the Jews took a big chunk and now run things despite not being able to compete with the U.S militarily (see Israel/US alliance despite no signed treaty). while you're too busy spending and borrowing due to paranoia, the chinese who are stress-free are cash strapped enough to dominate through what matters most....MONEY. MONEY is POWER. not Planes.

Soon enough they'll be able to choke their neighbors into submission without firing a shot. give them 10-20 yrs. When you're unable to keep bases open and china is able to buy politicians and property in other countries, you'll realize how clever the tactic was. :umadjay:
 
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They have no export industry without the U.S. consumer.
its about 50/50 now. they're positioning themselves to not have to rely on the U.S consumer base as much. Places like africa which will have a middle class in the future, guess who will sell to them? china. If you look around, china is now half of the worlds number 1 trading partner. China knows the U.S economy will eventually crash and not be the same buyers, so they need to be prepared for it. They buy U.S bonds, to keep the U.S economy afloat so they can buy THEMSELVES time. :wink:
 

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Japan and South Korea defy China air zone rules
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The Chinese zone covers islands claimed by Japan and Taiwan
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Japan and South Korea have both flown planes unannounced through China's newly-declared air defence zone, officials from both nations say.

Japanese aircraft had conducted routine "surveillance activity" over the East China Sea zone, the top government spokesman said.

South Korea had also conducted a flight, its defence ministry said.

China says planes transiting the zone, which covers areas claimed by Tokyo, Seoul and Taipei, must file plans.

The zone includes islands known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China which are claimed by Japan, China and Taiwan.

Japan controls the islands, which have been the focus of a bitter and long-running dispute between Japan and China.

The zone also covers a submerged rock that South Korea says forms part of its territory.

China, which established the air defence identification zone (ADIZ) on Saturday, says aircraft must report a flight plan, communicate and identify themselves. Those who do not could face "defensive emergency measures".

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China's move has been condemned by the US and Japan.

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Japanese restraint in the face of Chinese efforts to modify the status quo is currently keeping the peace, potentially to the detriment of Japan's claim to the islands and its ability to use the surrounding sea area”

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America, which called the move a "destabilising attempt to alter the status quo in the region", flew two unarmed B-52 bombers through the zone unannounced on Tuesday.

'Not going to change'
Japanese officials did not specify when the flights happened, but confirmed the surveillance activity.

"Even since China has created this airspace defence zone, we have continued our surveillance activities as before in the East China Sea, including in the zone," said Japan's top government spokesman, Yoshihide Suga.

"We are not going to change this [activity] out of consideration to China," he added.

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Air defence identification zones
  • Zones do not necessarily overlap with airspace, sovereign territory or territorial claims
  • States define zones, and stipulate rules that aircraft must obey; legal basis is unclear
  • During WW2, US established an air perimeter and now maintains four separate zones - Guam, Hawaii, Alaska, and a contiguous mainland zone
  • UK, Norway, Japan and Canada also maintain zones
Source: aviationdevelopment.org

For their part, South Korea's military said one of their planes entered the zone on Tuesday.

South Korea's Foreign Minister Yun Byung-se said on Wednesday that the air zone issue had made "already tricky regional situations even more difficult to deal with".

"We've witnessed competition and conflicts among players of the region getting fiercer," he told Yonhap news agency.

On Thursday South Korea and China held talks on the zone, but failed to reach any agreement.

China defended its establishment of an air zone on Thursday, with a Defence Ministry spokesman telling state media it was "completely justified and legitimate".

US Vice-President Joe Biden is expected to express America's concerns to China when he makes a scheduled visit next week.

Mr Biden would "convey our concerns directly and... seek clarity regarding the Chinese intentions in making this move at this time", a senior US official administration said.

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China-Japan disputed islands
  • The archipelago consists of five uninhabited islands and three reefs
  • Japan, China and Taiwan claim them; they are controlled by Japan and form part of Okinawa prefecture
  • Japanese businessman Kunioki Kurihara owned three of the islands but sold them to the Japanese state in September 2012
  • The islands were also the focus of a major diplomatic row between Japan and China in 2010
Mr Biden will also make stops in Japan and South Korea during his trip to Asia.

Meanwhile, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said China's air zone move in the East China Sea may have implications for territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

His comments come as China's aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, and its warship escorts headed to the South China Sea for what has been described as a training mission.

"There's this threat that China will control the air space [in the South China Sea]," Mr Del Rosario told local media.

"It transforms an entire air zone into China's domestic air space. And that is an infringement, and compromises the safety of civil aviation," he said, adding it "also compromises the national security of affected states".

Aside from the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also have overlapping claims with China in the South China Sea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25133957
 

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Oh and yea, they're buying parts of Michigan, PHX and Cali. You sucka ass patriots they're selling your land to the chinese while you wave a little flag, dumbass. :heh:

they're slowly positioning themselves to be able to crush the U.S economy and keep there's afloat in the future, you think they dont know they cant compete on a military level? the U.S is too advanced, but the chinese aren't stupid, if you cant knock him out, hit the body, he'll curl into a ball. Your economy will be strategically ran by the Chinese, kinda of like how the Jews took a big chunk and now run things despite not being able to compete with the U.S militarily (see Israel/US alliance despite no signed treaty). while you're too busy spending and borrowing due to paranoia, the chinese who are stress-free are cash strapped enough to dominate through what matters most....MONEY. MONEY is POWER. not Planes.

Soon enough they'll be able to choke their neighbors into submission without firing a shot. give them 10-20 yrs. When you're unable to keep bases open and china is able to buy politicians and property in other countries, you'll realize how clever the tactic was. :umadjay:


:umad: The Chinese will never run America. You sir, are a fukking idiot.
 
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