The upcoming Class vs. ID Politics/Diversity battle within the DNC

[NZA]

the only thing i can add is that the democrat coalition is only tempered by the electoral college. bill clinton's VP and wife both won the popular vote. most of the country prefers them over whatever the republicans offered.

and once the demographics make the more drastic switch in the next decade or so, even the electoral college wont save republicans.

democrats gave republicans a freebie by putting up that terrible ticket. bernie would have embarrassed trump even without a sophisticated "ground game"

and i am enjoying reading all these delusional articles and tweets from hillary stans blaming everything but the candidate for her loss

there is not going to be any "class vs ID" fight in america because you cant separate class from ID here. in some ways the obama years have seen america become more racially aware and more people are understanding how "colorblind" policies end up disproportionately harming or ignoring black people.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

This isn't true at all. Black people have consistently voted Dem even while not caring about gay rights. Those types of issues have never deterred people of color from voting Dem. It's not a concern and most people of color have made peace with LGBT issues even if they don't care about that.

Poor white people are not part of the Democratic coalition. They are more likely to vote Dem than more affluent white people, but working class white men have voted Republican for decades now. The idea is to bring them back. The true cleavage in the Dem Party is between progressives and centrists. That played out in Sanders vs. Clinton. The Clinton team even tried to go get Republicans to replace working class white people and failed.
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Ehh....that's true as of now, but if the dems keep playing Id politics, it's only so long you hold together a coalition while some people's advancement gets placed as a low priority as you work on things to appease another group. Secondly, if this coalition is really supposed to to come together and unite, you do have to find a common care. I live in a rapidly gentrifying area and am watching how these same liberals who scream about diversity and acceptance are also quick to call the cops on the black people hanging outside in the neighborhood they chose to move into. These aren't really centrist people either, many of them would like to extend healthcare, fund college to reduce debt etc, but they also can't empathize when met face to face with people in their own coalition.

Yep, there's a faction between the economical views in the Democratic Party, but there is a social one as well. Plenty of black folks are tired of the dems not doing anything, clearly the union/blue collar worker got tired this election cycle, etc. Dems are a more fragile party that can't afford to have one of its segments drop out, that's all I'm getting at. They have to do more for each group as each group isn't sated by simply seeing progress for another group. Black people don't applaud the dems for the progress they've made for lgbt's, middle american dems don't care about the progress for Latinos....etc. Each group wants something for them and that's a tall order.

 

[No1]

Exactly.

Bluntly: the democrats can't be the party of both the CEO and the janitor anymore than they could've been the party of both the segregationist and the civil rights advocate

To follow up on this point, I said it earlier this year but the Democratic Party literally doesn't make any sense. Anywhere else in the world you can look at someone's economic status and pretty much know which party they voted for. Only in the US can we have a party of professional class white people and poor people of color (and a lot of working class whites). These two groups do not match at all. @dora_da_destroyer I see your point, and it is true that black people feel like they've gotten nothing for their vote. It's just too bad that this happened versus a guy like Trump.

Also, we all know that liberal white people are super fraudulent about race and integration once it effects where their kids may go to school, etc. You also do have a point about not kicking the money out of the DNC right now because only people of wealth can stop trump right now. Big businesses are the only ones who can have an impact.

 

[Tate]

To follow up on this point, I said it earlier this year but the Democratic Party literally doesn't make any sense. Anywhere else in the world you can look at someone's economic status and pretty much know which party they voted for. Only in the US can we have a party of professional class white people and poor people of color (and a lot of working class whites). These two groups do not match at all. @dora_da_destroyer I see your point, and it is true that black people feel like they've gotten nothing for their vote. It's just too bad that this happened versus a guy like Trump.

Also, we all know that liberal white people are super fraudulent about race and integration once it effects where their kids may go to school, etc. You also do have a point about not kicking the money out of the DNC right now because only people of wealth can stop trump right now. Big businesses are the only ones who can have an impact.

I saw an article comparing the modern Democratic Party to the Republican Party of the late 1800s. Both depended on the votes of the black underclass while serving the interests of finance and tyc00ns.

The point here is just glaringly obvious on its own. It makes no sense for Warren Buffett and a laid off autoworker to be in the same party. They don't have the same interests. You cannot do something for one without shorting the other.