The War on Poverty has been an utter failure

[Perfectson]

Answer the question... is this about fiscal responsibility ?

I think it's in the equation

 

[Perfectson]

Capitalism fails every ten years due to market corrections and the government intervenes with handouts ...

Well we don't have pure capitalism but yes out "ism" tends to have corrections whuch require a central strategy to assist. This is more the result of government policies changing the direction every 4-8 years . In socialism government controla production and this the economy, so as you know we already have some of socialist policies and so many corrections are due to poor government management

 

[Perfectson]

Capitalism can only survive with an underclass to exploit for cheap labor.

Workers are more efficient than at anytime in history yet wages have stagnated and workers are being forced to work longer and longer hours to meet exceedingly impossible production goals.

No matter how powerful the means of production which a capitalist may bring into the field, competition will make their adoption general; and from the moment that they have been generally adopted, the sole result of the greater productiveness of his capital will be that he must furnish at the same price, 10, 20, 100 times as much as before. But since he must find a market for, perhaps, 1,000 times as much, in order to outweigh the lower selling price by the greater quantity of the sale; since now a more extensive sale is necessary not only to gain a greater profit, but also in order to replace the cost of production (the instrument of production itself grows always more costly, as we have seen), and since this more extensive sale has become a question of life and death not only for him, but also for his rivals, the old struggle must begin again, and it is all the more violent the more powerful the means of production already invented are. The division of labour and the application of machinery will therefore take a fresh start, and upon an even greater scale.

The greater division of labour enables one labourer to accomplish the work of five, 10, or 20 labourers; it therefore increases competition among the labourers fivefold, tenfold, or twentyfold. The labourers compete not only by selling themselves one cheaper than the other, but also by one doing the work of five, 10, or 20; and they are forced to compete in this manner by the division of labour, which is introduced and steadily improved by capital.

I don't think this is accurate, many countries have good poverty rates while having a capitalistic society . We are focused on poverty not disparity so I would say your statements isn't quite accurate. How where in pure capitalism, I can understand your point . Here's an example


If there are 5 men and 4 of those men can make bread and 1 of these men is a Hunter and can obtain meat and we are under pure capitalism who would become rich and who would become less rich ?

The bread makers would trade with the Hunter for meat . Eventually the Hunter will have more than enough bread and won't need to trade large quantities of meat for it. He will start asking for other stuff or will only barter with one person or maybe ration the meat trades. Unless the bread makers learn a new trade they will be doomed to a life of eating bread. Now is that bad ? Well when they see their neighbors eating meat and bread , either that will incentivize them to learn to hunt or they do nothing, maybe beg for handouts...theres several options. But the point I'm making is without a central regulatory direction pure capitalism could in fact create large amounts of disparity .however is that the concern or is it ensuring everyone is living out of poverty? Then I would question if we could actually kill poverty but still have large amounts of disparity would people's be happy ?

 

[Perfectson]

It seems that the War on Poverty has been suppressed by other overriding policies and their results. So concluding that WoP has failed in getting people out of poverty or succeeded in keeping in poverty is still even after 50 years premature.

Explain which policies have overrode WOP and their results.

If you're saying it's premature then you must believe it's working, would like to know how. Again the safety net means it's very tough for anyone to drop below certain poverty lines and that seems to work but there has to be something showing a decrease in poverty rates and instead it's actually increased in many years.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Explain which policies have overrode WOP and their results.

If you're saying it's premature then you must believe it's working, would like to know how. Again the safety net means it's very tough for anyone to drop below certain poverty lines and that seems to work but there has to be something showing a decrease in poverty rates and instead it's actually increased in many years.

Suppressed, but whatever.

• War on Drugs - Nixon
• War on Drugs - Reagan
• Tax Cuts (2) - Reagan
  
• (Crack) Drugs Law - Reagan
  
• Crime Bill - Clinton
• NAFTA - Clinton
• Repeal of Glass-Stegall - Clinton
• War on Terrorism - Bush
• Tax Cuts - Bush

 

[Perfectson]

Suppressed, but whatever.

• War on Drugs - Nixon
• War on Drugs - Reagan
• Tax Cuts (2) - Reagan
  
• (Crack) Drugs Law - Reagan
  
• Crime Bill - Clinton
• NAFTA - Clinton
• Repeal of Glass-Stegall - Clinton
• War on Terrorism - Bush
• Tax Cuts - Bush

How does any of those suppress the WOP - how does NAFTA stop people from taking advantage of educational and job programs so they aren't in poverty . If you're saying these programs increased wealth gaps, I'd agree but you can't seriously blame these programs for causing more people to be in poverty

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

How does any of those suppress the WOP - how does NAFTA stop people from taking advantage of educational and job programs so they aren't in poverty . If you're saying these programs increased wealth gaps, I'd agree but you can't seriously blame these programs for causing more people to be in poverty

NAFTA - Fewer jobs to be given to those who need them

War on drugs - felonies keeping you from being employable, keeping you from being able to participate in government programs

Corporate welfare - worker exploitation


You really want to be this obtuse?

 

[Perfectson]

NAFTA - Fewer jobs to be given to those who need them

War on drugs - felonies keeping you from being employable, keeping you from being able to participate in government programs

Corporate welfare - worker exploitation


You really want to be this obtuse?

All of those are bullshyt , we have and had net need for skilled laborers. Worker exploitation is subjective and just a cop out.

Nafta was inception in 1994 so I doubt it had the impact on poverty you want to portray especially since you (of for da bag) said a 50 year program is too early to assess lmfao. Not only that but several non partisan groups have stated Nafta created net more jobs, while even the CBO has stated Nafta had a marginal net benefit.

Feel free to spout more uncorrelated programs and stats while stating ( not you in particular )a 50 year old failed initistive that is still being supported and budgeted for doesn't have enough "years" to assess properly

 

[DonKnock]

All of those are bullshyt , we have and had net need for skilled laborers. Worker exploitation is subjective and just a cop out.

Nafta was inception in 1994 so I doubt it had the impact on poverty you want to portray especially since you (of for da bag) said a 50 year program is too early to assess lmfao. Not only that but several non partisan groups have stated Nafta created net more jobs, while even the CBO has stated Nafta had a marginal net benefit.

Feel free to spout more uncorrelated programs and stats while stating ( not you in particular )a 50 year old failed initistive that is still being supported and budgeted for doesn't have enough "years" to assess properly

Everything you've said it this thread has been bullshyt.

 

[Lord Beasley]

Just like the "War on Drugs" and "War on Terror"

Anytime anyone declares a war on inanimate objects or ideals, there's never any real progress.

 

[Cynic]

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