The way rap is now, can a rapper post 2013 ever make it to top 10 all-time list?

[Kyle C. Barker]

That’s what I’m saying tho, did you read my post? All those things are slowly becoming obsolete. So can someone still be top 10 all time without that or do we have to change the criteria?

I hear what you're saying. It's a hard core singles market now and the incentive to make a good album is diminishing. It makes more sense to drop 30 songs on an album and game the system.


Picture us putting ranking flo rida or pitbull based on hot singles.

 

[ThirdAct]

Yeah, because industry trends can never defeat natural talent. Some kid who is like 10 years old right now might enter the game when he's 18 with an instant classic album and then get crowned the next king of rap.

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

It's always gonna be special Mc's that come around & could potentially be top 10 of all time..Just nowadays they come few & far between
Who's your top 10 mc's of all time bro? & is Kendrick the only one from this era that you think could be top 10 of all time?
Imo Roc Marc doesn't get enough credit for being influential

@FreshAIG

 

[IShotTheSheriff]

This is always a difficult topic for me.

Are we talking pure skill or guys with skill who happen to have millions of label dollars backing them?

It’s like “Why” by Jada. How come there’s a dude better than Jordan who ain’t get his chance?

A bunch of Grammys from old white folks mean you’re some kind of great?

My personal top 10 has some obscure dudes in there cause I simply think for me, what’s hot to another is fine for them. If we talking numbers, Drake easily is Top 5 and.... that doesn’t feel right to me.

 

[FreshAIG]

It's always gonna be special Mc's that come around & could potentially be top 10 of all time..Just nowadays they come few & far between
Who's your top 10 mc's of all time bro? & is Kendrick the only one from this era that you think could be top 10 of all time?
Imo Roc Marc doesn't get enough credit for being influential

@FreshAIG

Big, Jay, Nas, KRS, Cube, Rakim, Red, Scarface, G Rap, Ras Kass

Kendrick isn't in my personal top 10 but a case can be made for him. I like Roc Marciano, but he's a little boring for me sometimes.

 

[OGBobbyJohnson]

Big, Jay, Nas, KRS, Cube, Rakim, Red, Scarface, G Rap, Ras Kass

Kendrick isn't in my personal top 10 but a case can be made for him. I like Roc Marciano, but he's a little boring for me sometimes.

yea Roc's style isnt for everybody..He's more of a underground king in a sense

 

[FreshAIG]

This is always a difficult topic for me.

Are we talking pure skill or guys with skill who happen to have millions of label dollars backing them?

It’s like “Why” by Jada. How come there’s a dude better than Jordan who ain’t get his chance?

A bunch of Grammys from old white folks mean you’re some kind of great also?

My personal top 10 has some obscure dudes in there cause I simply think for me, what’s hot to another is fine for them. If we talking numbers, Drake easily is Top 5 and.... that doesn’t feel right to me.

Well, the way we generally judge top 10s it's based off everything, skills, longevity, catalog, hits, influence, cultural impact etc..

For example, someone could be highly skilled like say a Godfather Don, but lacks in most of those categories minus skills

But to me, the way the industry has changed, putting out great albums full of great songs don't matter, longevity doesn't matter, only thing these labels care about is instant hits, and hopping on the new wave. So for artists to maintain their standing in the game, they're adjusting their style to be relevant, but it's ruining their longevity, catalog, influence, etc...

 

[IShotTheSheriff]

Well, the way we generally judge top 10s it's based off everything, skills, longevity, catalog, hits, influence, cultural impact etc..

For example, someone could be highly skilled like say a Godfather Don, but lacks in most of those categories minus skills

But to me, the way the industry has changed, putting out great albums full of great songs don't matter, longevity doesn't matter, only thing these labels care about is instant hits, and hopping on the new wave. So for artists to maintain their standing in the game, they're adjusting their style to be relevant, but it's ruining their longevity, catalog, influence, etc...

100% agreed brother.

There needs to be a line in the Sand. Mainstream artists should be able to at least drop music more on the side so we can see what they're made of without label restrictions.

 

[I love Latina women]

Post the Drake, Cole, Kendrick era

Can any of the new rappers make it to top 10 all-time based off where the genre is heading? Everything is hit based, full projects don't really matter, a lot of albums are full of filler songs because of the streaming shyt. I think the way it's set up now, nobody can become a top 10 all-time rapper because most of the criteria we use to judge it: longevity, catalog, hits, influence, cultural significance have all become watered down or non-existent

Song crafting doesn't even matter, just hit crafting. If you can't make a hit, nobody cares.

I don't think so. I mean, just look around, it's almost like nobody is even cares about the craft anymore.

Like I look at this song and video India Westbrook got now. This is actually a song that is probably gonna be considered a hit song. Cause there is no standard anymore. Or maybe what it is, the standard is to be frivolous with the most sugary songwriting and catchy beat as possible.

The thing is too, it's been bad for a long time, it's just consistently getting worse and worse. I thought the 2000's were bad (and it was for the most part) but this era is 10 times worst cause there's no fine line for calling shyt wack. I feel like wack doesn't even exist anymore.


Oh and this is the India Westbrook song I'm talking bout

 

[ISO]

In the grand scheme of things them lists are irrelevant

 

[Evil Grandson]

Drake and Kendrick prolly locks 5 years from now. Kodak has all the tools to be a legend. His career mirrors young Wayne.


But these lists irrelevant online. Majority rules in real life and that's what matters

 

[PhonZhi]

"The way rap is now"

 

[Insensitive]

I also think a lot of people in Contemporary Hip-Hop get unfairly derided for their lyricism
when frankly they aren't much worse than a lot of rappers that people respect
for their writing.

I mean Xzibit, Ludacris,Kurupt, Ja Rule etc. inhabit a space of "Good enough" (and at times GREAT)
that a lot of modern rappers FIT RIGHT INTO but they get shyt because of the DECADE they're in
not necessarily their lyrical content.

If someone asked whether or not J. Cole or Big Sean or Wale was as nice as those, I'd say YES without
a fukking doubt.

Mind you, some of the older acts mentioned have some legitimately great albums under their
belt.

 

[Uitomy]

I don't think so. I mean, just look around, it's almost like nobody is even cares about the craft anymore.

Like I look at this song and video India Westbrook got now. This is actually a song that is probably gonna be considered a hit song. Cause there is no standard anymore. Or maybe what it is, the standard is to be frivolous with the most sugary songwriting and catchy beat as possible.

The thing is too, it's been bad for a long time, it's just consistently getting worse and worse. I thought the 2000's were bad (and it was for the most part) but this era is 10 times worst cause there's no fine line for calling shyt wack. I feel like wack doesn't even exist anymore.


Oh and this is the India Westbrook song I'm talking bout

You think the game bad now, just wait till all these female trap rappers start getting on the billboard consistently, we can’t down play how much female influence is proving a detriment to a degree (I’d say like 20%) cause all of the really shytty periods in rap so far i noticed that consistently era to era the women love the music the most. Like they listen to these songs like they’re addicted to coke and now will all these “doll” rappers n shyt, female rappers are becoming more known and demanded and women support each other well cause they’re willing to spend money on each other(and everything else) so I’d say at the start of the 2020’s we are gonna have a wave of horrible female rappers that might blow this shyt out of the water.

 

[frush11]

Not really, the general rap public just ain't really properly expose to our true young talent.

Unless you got an over the top personality. You just a niche artist.