Its like they saw greatness for the first time and lost their minds instead of stepping their game up a learning. My mom always says they think from the feet up and their like children.
The White Washed Wikipedia Entry For The "Moors"
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Its like they saw greatness for the first time and lost their minds instead of stepping their game up a learning. My mom always says they think from the feet up and their like children.
The ancient one is Mauretania. The modern republic is Mauritania.
Doesn’t change anything to what I stated though.
But that's where Berbers descend from... Especially on their NRY side. They still carry that admixture till this day even with some foreign admixture.ancestry. From what I read the majority of Berbers around the time of the Moors(700 AD) were described as "black", especially the Masmuda who were the bulk iirc.
Nope about the Moors I said :This isn't a Black man yall because @Sonni says so
It was basically a north-westafrican muslim movement which included white, brown and blacks, arabs, berbers and black-africans. Why some claim the Mourabitoun that occupied Spain and founded Marrakech were exclusively black is beyond me. Blacks were part of it but can not claim exclusivity.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets-talk-about-the-moors.100428/#post-3785062
1. indigenous Berbers were Black African, those who migrated from East Africa. Modern day Berbers are mulattos. And I already acknowledged the empires who colonized NA after the neolithic.
2. Negro as in Mande. Cushytes are Negro, Nilotic are Negro, Khoi are Negro, indigenous Berbers were negro.
3. Some researchers describe the group as a social caste spanning the countries listed, and made of descendants of southern berber tribes.[2]
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My point is that the moors were Arabs from the Mauritania that we all agreed was northwest Africa during those times
And I mostly agree, except distinguishing Black African and Berbers. You should have said Berbers and Mande.
that's why I asked dude how they became white but no serious answer.
don't you think you’d have to be crazy to describe the majority of berbers today as black or mulatto ?
You seem to seperate "black" from Berbers when during that period many non-Africans saw Berber Moors as black.
The Moors were not "exclusively" black, of course. They were led by Middle Eastern's. But the bulk of the invading Moors were Berbers and Western Sudanese; both who were characterized as black.
breh..........
Even their castles and monuments in Europe are either built by black Muslims or are copies of previously existent structures.
so they now claim,
berbers weren't blacks..
black muslims were white and brown instead of black and dark brown.
Egypt was full of crakkers.
Europeans aren't a recessive sub species of human beings.
etc.
Arabs where a minority of the Moors. Most were berbers.
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Ok I get it.. I was just going off the ruling class in Spain which was Arab.. But I can see how Europeans would lump all darker people than them as moors during that time period
Most modern day Berbers look mulatto.
Oh that I can EASILY explain. And in full detail if need be. Like I said here and on that European vs North American description of Moors thread; you have to keep in mind that the term "Moor" predates Muslims. It was actually used by the Romans to describe blacks. Even in the medieval times the word still was meant to describe blacks of Africa. It wasn't until after the period of the Almoravid's that the word Moor was used to describe Muslim's in general. I believe I said this on here already. And about the Muslim expulsion from Europe into Northwest Africa. That's the period where we really start to see non-black Berbers more, such as the famous Ibn Battuta. This is why you really wont find any to non-black Berbers prior to the 14th/15th century imo.
A big thing most people do not understand in these type of discussions is that the area of Northwest Africa(Morocco/Algeria) was sparsely populated during the early period of the Moors. People also forget that converted European Muslims from Europe were expelled and flooded the coastal part of Northern Africa. Remember the term Moor soon meant all Muslim's in general. Non black Moors soon outnumbered the original "black" Moors.
To give you an example Christian renegades (Spanish, Italian, French, Albanian, etc. who would eventually convert to Islam) and the medieval slave trade had a major impact on places like Tlemcen, Oran, Bejaia (Bougie - Kabyle central) and especially Alger. Jacques Heers argues in "Les barbaresques" (2001, pg 227) at the time of Turkish rule in Algeria, something like 50% of the population in the capital was composed of European-Christian slaves (even Italian slaves by the seventeenth century). Saqalibas from the Balkans were also well represented. Besides, Arab excursions displaced many of the ancestral populations of the Maghreb between the 12th-15th centuries.
So it really wasn't mixing but a large population from Europe displacing an already smaller population in an already sparsely populated area. The Berber's were also spread out. Which also played a factor with "white" Berbers replacing the darker toned ones. From what I understand, the original Berbers did not really live on the coastal part of North Africa but in the Sahara and near the Senegal river. They were nomadic people for the most part. The origins of modern day lighter skinned North Africans is not all due to mixing but also European migrates after post-Moorish Iberia who easily displaced a population. Much similar to how Bantu migrates displaced the very small Khoisan population of South Africa.
Also "white" Berbers like the Kabyle are also recent. I too can explain that if need be.
