The Whole LeBron Took the Easy Way Out Narrative

[Bolzmark]

The criticism of Bron for teaming up with Wade and Bosh is stupid. Its not his fault that Cleveland didn't draft the likes of Pippen and Horace Grant/Dennis Rodman, OR Kareem, Worthy, B.Scott, and Michael Cooper, OR K. McHale, R. Parrish, and Dennis Johnson. Brons surrounding cast SUCKED. Need proof? What was the Cavaliers record the first year he was in Miami? Didn't they set some new record in sports with like 26 losses in a row?
Look at the Bulls when MJ left in '93. One bogus foul call from getting back in the Finals. And MJ is the GOAT. But he had a good team around him. Winning championships is a team game, and that team INCLUDES the front office who is responsible for trades and drafts.

 

[Draje]

thats the thing that KILLS me.. bosh avg 24ppg before comin to MIA. bosh the #3 option has similar #'s to gasol durin both of their title runs...

the difference is kobe has lamar odom while bron had wade.. it really is that simple.. i have all of the final stats if you would rather see for yourself

Stop using FINALS as the only barometer of success. A single series doesn't mean anything unless you wanna argue that Kobe was completely carried by Shaq to 3 rings because Shaq DOMINATED the finals.

Use the entire playoffs. Bosh averaged 14.1 on 49% and 7.8 REB during the first ring and 12.1 on 45% and 7.3 REB the 2nd run.

Odom averaged 14.3 on 49% and 10 REB during the first run and 12.3 PPG on 52% and 9.1 REB in the playoffs,

So Wade averaged worst stats than Bynum and Bosh averaged worst stats than Odom. What next, fakkit?

 

[Draje]

Lot of these dudes are missing the point of your argument which is very simple IMO.

Imagine if AI and Antoine Walker in their prime (both class of '96) said "fukk this losing shyt! we going to LA wit Kobe and Shaq...lock down shyt for the next decade." Or if Kobe would've said fukk it and went to SA to run wit Duncan and Parker.
The hate would be as pure today as white folks still have for OJ

MJ, Bird, Magic all said they'd never have done that just to win a championship cuz they are too competitive. MJ/Pippen were drafted to same team.
Magic was drafted to the Lakers regardless of his demands. Those Bird Celtic teams were drafted players.
It wasn't guaranteed any of those players would be future HOFers or even all-stars thats just how things turned out.

Would any of these dudes respected Barkley or Malone or GP if they finally got a ring after running to other championship contender teams. fukk no!

Thats why some people just won't respect Bron or the way he won these rings. Personally, I could care less and would have done the same thing Bron did but I see what you are saying though.

It still don't make sense to me. Ring chasing is riding on someone's coat-tails to an extra ring.

Lebron joined another team and become the leader of said team. He's not chasing like Payton or Malone, he took over that team and become the alpha dog.

They're pretty much crapping on Lebron for not having the good fortune to get drafted to an intelligent franchise with a great front office and a good coach who can develop players properly.

This is a franchise that drafted ANTHONY BENNETT AS A FIRST PICK!

How does if make Lebron any less talented or good of a player that he didn't have the luck to have a Phil Jackson tier coach at developing talent? Or a Spurs-tier organization at drafting players?

 

[NSSVO]

This dude Lance is a fukking NUT

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

Lot of these dudes are missing the point of your argument which is very simple IMO.

Imagine if AI and Antoine Walker in their prime (both class of '96) said "fukk this losing shyt! we going to LA wit Kobe and Shaq...lock down shyt for the next decade." Or if Kobe would've said fukk it and went to SA to run wit Duncan and Parker.
The hate would be as pure today as white folks still have for OJ

MJ, Bird, Magic all said they'd never have done that just to win a championship cuz they are too competitive. MJ/Pippen were drafted to same team.
Magic was drafted to the Lakers regardless of his demands. Those Bird Celtic teams were drafted players.
It wasn't guaranteed any of those players would be future HOFers or even all-stars thats just how things turned out.

Would any of these dudes respected Barkley or Malone or GP if they finally got a ring after running to other championship contender teams. fukk no!

Thats why some people just won't respect Bron or the way he won these rings. Personally, I could care less and would have done the same thing Bron did but I see what you are saying though.

Kobe almost did say fukk and it leave when he had Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. His front office got him help though

Of course Bird and Magic aren't going to leave the championship caliber squads that they were drafted to. And of course they are going to say this in hindsight.

The point I'm really stressing is, he didn't have a choice at all. You've seen what that front office has done since he left. The only serviceable players they have are Kyrie and Waiters and they can't even play together. I'm sure I can pull up some random ESPN stat saying that LeBron has won as many games in 1 season that Cleveland has since he left.

Another point I don't get is when did Chris Bosh suddenly become an all time great top 10 player. Yes, I understand he took a Raptors team to the playoffs. But without using 20-20 hindsight, were nikkas in 2010 really taking Chris Bosh over

Durant
Melo
Wade
LeBron
Kobe
Dirk
CP3
Deron Williams <- This is where that not using 20-20 hindsight kicks in. Don't act like you didn't buy into this fradulant ass Sloan created numbers back then
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol
A'mare
Tim Duncan

And even if you want to slide both these guys in that top 10 category, the only year that they statistically justified that rating is the year they lost to Dallas. Since they Wade hasn't been better than a lower end top 10 player and Chris Bosh 15-20.


Malone and Gary Payton did run to championship contending squads and Gary Payton got a ring out of it.

 

[kidsinamerica_]

Have you noticed how this fakkit is ignoring stats, injuries, and the like?

How about you use stats to tell me I'm wrong?



Like Lebron stopping 45 PPG on one of the best defenses in the league while Wade was getting his knee drained and Chris Bosh could barely get on the court?

Or dropping a game winner on the Pacers?

Or being one of the best game 7 performers of a time and dropping 37 in a win?

Or shutting down Tony Parker in game 6 and 7?

Or out scoring the entire Spurs team in the 4th quarter in game 6?

Or scoring 25 straight Points against Detroit?

Are you fukking retarded?

How many NBA titles did LeBron win with Cleveland? Year after year, LeBron's team were the title favorites. But, for some odd reason, his team never made it over the hump in the playoffs. Why?

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

just like you giving an opinion on other nikkas giving opinions

the difference between me and the majority of yall is that i realize my opinion doesnt mean shyt in the grand scheme of things....

you should give that some thought

 

[Draje]

How many NBA titles did LeBron win with Cleveland? Year after year, LeBron's team were the title favorites. Did LeBron ever make it over the hump in the playoffs?

Favorites? Because of what? Regular season records?

Lebron was leading his team in every single statistical category and typically busting his ass. He was playing with the likes of MO WILLIAMS as his 2nd option and other players such as Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, Eric Snow, and a bunch of people who barely get time in the league now. No player alive or dead could have taken those Cleveland Cavs to a championship if you replaced Lebron James with them.

Fukking Jordan would have lost.

Being a regular season team is not indicative of playoff success. Adjustments are made, defenses get much better, and it becomes much easier to lock down superstar players when they know you're the only one they gotta worry about.

Not only that, certain matchups are much easier to take advantage of.

Go look at MJ before Pippen, AI's Philly, Kobe after losing Shaq, etc.

 

[Lakerman0834]

thats the thing that KILLS me.. bosh avg 24ppg before comin to MIA. bosh the #3 option has similar #'s to gasol durin both of their title runs...

the difference is kobe has lamar odom while bron had wade.. it really is that simple.. i have all of the final stats if you would rather see for yourself

Dudes should accept the fact bron took ez way out and rep it instead of trying to disprove it. A lot more respect if they said bron teamed up with 2 other superstars and won rings fukk it, instead of tryin to cop pleas

 

[Jesus]

the difference between me and the majority of yall is that i realize my opinion doesnt mean shyt in the grand scheme of things....

you should give that some thought

Some nikkas use this outlet to get their Skip Bayless on.

 

[VegetasHairline]

At the end of the day, everyone is playing for a ring. LeBron put himself in the best position to do that. End of story. Y'all acting like the league hasn't had 4 years to devise a plan to form another super team and the issue with this is that not every team has a Pat Riley at the help.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

At the end of the day, everyone is playing for a ring. LeBron put himself in the best position to do that. End of story. Y'all acting like the league hasn't had 4 years to devise a plan to form another super team and the issue with this is that not every team has a Pat Riley at the help.

but bron stans say stats >> rings

so which is it?

 

[acbjr22]

How many NBA titles did LeBron win with Cleveland? Year after year, LeBron's team were the title favorites. But, for some odd reason, his team never made it over the hump in the playoffs. Why?

they were title favorites because of him though...not because of anyone else on the team

and they didn't win because they didn't have the talent or coaching to get it done. nikkas expect Bron to beat Rondo, Ray Allen, Garnett, Pierce, Perkins, Tony Allen, etc. but refuse to criticize Durant when he has Westbrook on his team

 

[fact]

The insecurity of Bron/Miami fans is pretty sad.
The fact that Lebron could not take a championship as the clear cut "leader" on his team will always haunt him, and rightfully so, imo.
And no matter what Miami does, it will never be a top franchise in basketball purists eyes. They pretty much cemented their legacy when they retired Jordan's number. It is a fact.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

I guess LeBron was supposed to wait in Cleveland for Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich to walk through the door plus another piece of talent that was better than Big Z or Mo Williams.