The WNBA players association opts out of the CBA. Edit:Deal is done

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A 12 million dollar loss last season alone.


Yup, the player's association has had the financials for a while.

If it supported higher salaries and greater funding, we'd be hearing all about the data.

Reporting about "losses" is a common negotiating tactic...

Why it matters that 14 NBA teams lost money, and why it doesn't
What happens when 30 NBA owners can't share $24 billion?

But it was a tough season financially. After boosting their payroll, the Grizzlies lost nearly $40 million, earning a league-low $9.4 million in local media rights. Their losses were offset by $32 million in revenue sharing, the most in the league.

By the same logic used against the WNBA, the Grizzlies cannot sustain themselves and should be contracted immediatly. But obviously the league sees value in having a team in Memphis that doesn't show up in the balance sheets. NCAA claims that most atheltic departments barely break even or lose money...but they exist cuz they still provide value. Same goes for having a women's league. It has value thats why it has existed for 20 years...
 

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I remember when the league first started and it had players like sheryl swoops, lisa leslie, ect.. and there was legit interest in the games

- but since than havent really paid attention to the league:yeshrug:
- i did go to one game last year. And it was relatively good game :ehh:

- for the wnba to get more popular. They need to focus on what the nba is doing now. They need elite ball handlers crossing up everybody, more movement, and 3 point shooting.
- the other thing. Is they need women with actual it/star power. Outside of sue bird. I cant really name another wnba player. They need someone who can market the league.

Star power would help tremendously. Their "stars" average 20 pts a game on 40% shooting.

They need someone that can drop 30+ and dominate the game, preferably from the perimeter
 

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the problem is that...they are NOT VICTIMS. their product doesn't generate interest and revenue :mindblownj: how can grown women not know how that works? what is this fukkin bullshyt?

it's not a conspiracy :dead:
Well to be fair most women in America know about expenses more than revenue, they are the biggest spenders and people in debt
 

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As a business owner, how is what they are doing, the right thing?

From the outside looking in, looks to be the complete opposite of the right thing.

From the outside looking in they're doing the right thing. Unions strike for a variety of reasons and if the WNBAPA doesn't feel like the compensation, accommodations and work conditions are up to par they have every right to opt out and get a better deal.

I'm not sure how much better things will get but opting out and potentially going on strike is the most leverage they have
 

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From what I've read it's all about what percent of the revenue goes back into salaries....WNBA puts about 25 percent back in as opposed to the 50 for the WNBA ...
 

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Reporting about "losses" is a common negotiating tactic...

Why it matters that 14 NBA teams lost money, and why it doesn't
What happens when 30 NBA owners can't share $24 billion?



By the same logic used against the WNBA, the Grizzlies cannot sustain themselves and should be contracted immediatly. But obviously the league sees value in having a team in Memphis that doesn't show up in the balance sheets. NCAA claims that most atheltic departments barely break even or lose money...but they exist cuz they still provide value. Same goes for having a women's league. It has value thats why it has existed for 20 years...
How much money did they NBA lose is the question though.Grizzlies provide value in the NBA. If the entire league in of itself is losing money you have a point
 

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From the outside looking in they're doing the right thing. Unions strike for a variety of reasons and if the WNBAPA doesn't feel like the compensation, accommodations and work conditions are up to par they have every right to opt out and get a better deal.

I'm not sure how much better things will get but opting out and potentially going on strike is the most leverage they have

From what I've read it's all about what percent of the revenue goes back into salaries....WNBA puts about 25 percent back in as opposed to the 50 for the WNBA ...

but revenue is not profit and cost of operation is not the same.

If you ran a business and you generated $100 million revenue in a year, but your cost of operating was $90 million. You profited $10 million.

Where another business can do $50 million revenue but the cost of operating was only $10 million, which gave the company a profit of $40 million.

As examples.

Right now, as far as we are told, the WNBA operates at a loss. So holding out for higher pay makes no sense. You cant ask for more of $0 lol.

This seems like a weird sword for people to die on because at end of the day, some of the more popular players are making upwards of $300k a year... to play basketball.. how can you look at a 9-5 person in the face who works 5 days a week and makes $40k a year doing a mundane task they probably hate but HAVE to do, to feed their family.. compared to a WNBA star complaining about making $300k a year for a passion they allegedly love?

If someone told you, you could work your dream job for $300k a year, you'd complain? :mjlol:

and on top, this is only for 34 games :mjlol:

Im all for athletes to get their money, but it has to make sense as well. If you are bringing in no money, you cant complain.. Its just not a good business model. Me personally, I hope they demolish the league for this pettyness because this pretty much sums up the generation we live in now.. Theyve earned nothing, but want it all. 2018 shyt. I hate it.
 

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but revenue is not profit and cost of operation is not the same.

If you ran a business and you generated $100 million revenue in a year, but your cost of operating was $90 million. You profited $10 million.

Where another business can do $50 million revenue but the cost of operating was only $10 million, which gave the company a profit of $40 million.

As examples.

Right now, as far as we are told, the WNBA operates at a loss. So holding out for higher pay makes no sense. You cant ask for more of $0 lol.

This seems like a weird sword for people to die on because at end of the day, some of the more popular players are making upwards of $300k a year... to play basketball.. how can you look at a 9-5 person in the face who works 5 days a week and makes $40k a year doing a mundane task they probably hate but HAVE to do, to feed their family.. compared to a WNBA star complaining about making $300k a year for a passion they allegedly love?

If someone told you, you could work your dream job for $300k a year, you'd complain? :mjlol:

and on top, this is only for 34 games :mjlol:

Im all for athletes to get their money, but it has to make sense as well. If you are bringing in no money, you cant complain.. Its just not a good business model. Me personally, I hope they demolish the league for this pettyness because this pretty much sums up the generation we live in now.. Theyve earned nothing, but want it all. 2018 shyt. I hate it.


Your whole talking is the shyt people say when they support ownership in any other lockout.


WNBA players make a max of $110K, hence why they play in other leagues or even choose other leagues to supplement income.

If they wanna have the best women’s league in the world, have your pay be as much as the top women’s leagues overseas. It shouldn’t be that difficult.
 

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Your whole talking is the shyt people say when they support ownership in any other lockout.


WNBA players make a max of $110K, hence why they play in other leagues or even choose other leagues to supplement income.

If they wanna have the best women’s league in the world, have your pay be as much as the top women’s leagues overseas. It shouldn’t be that difficult.
How does the WNBA build interest though?
 

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Your whole talking is the shyt people say when they support ownership in any other lockout.


WNBA players make a max of $110K, hence why they play in other leagues or even choose other leagues to supplement income.

If they wanna have the best women’s league in the world, have your pay be as much as the top women’s leagues overseas. It shouldn’t be that difficult.

$115k*

The womens league over seas may generate more money so thats why they pay more? Do you factually know they make more than $100k a year there ? If thats the case so the average player is making $200k a year for their dream job? Wheres the complaint ?

You cant pay someone more of something you arent making

Im not for the owners. I think the owners in NBA and NFL are gouging players, mostly NFL owners. But I also think the losses of WNBA are under reported and they are doing worse than advertised and this is a saving grace for these women and they seem too stupid to understand the blessing and I think theyll fold the league unless they find outside funding

from a business owner stand point this is one of the dumbest public cases of stupidity ive seen from an employee union in my life

How does the WNBA build interest though?

they need to focus more on the communities they are surrounded by

if an arena holds 20,000 people they should give away 15,000 tickets and sell 5,000 tickets at $10 a piece and if people are having fun and creating an atmosphere people want to come to more often, during this time period they can pay their bills by 20,000 people potentially buying concessions, merchandise, etc.

Then once you create an environment people want to come to, then you can start selling more tickets etc

right now they are charging for a product no one seems interested in

they should focus on filling the arenas up and everything else will fall into place
 
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