"There are no great big men anymore because the games too fast for them"

[paidNfull]

i agree with this shyt

 

[Hersh]

10 -15 years from were goin to have an nba filled wit derick rose /westbrook /lebron /dwight type of athleticism

 

[RicanHavok]

My opinion is that Big men are made in college, off the top of my head the average age their rookie years between Hakeem, Shaq, Zo, Mutumbo, Robinson, Kareem, Ewing, Wilt, Russell, Walton, McHale and Duncan was 22 years old. Shaq was the youngest of that group at 20, and even he stayed 2 years in College to mature. Even lesser centers like Daugherty, Smits, Seikaly all played 4 years, and it makes sense that the last truly great low post player drafted was Duncan. After that you have a flood of HS players and underclassmen hitting the league and most teams don't have the time to tutor players, either they have that foundation from the jump or it's basically "tough luck nikka, convert to a defensive 5".

I also blame the AAU culture as well, it's harder to stand out and wow people if you're down on the block, so more kids gravitate to playing on the perimeter, a dude like Perry Jones (6"11 in shoes) 20 years ago would have stayed 4 years and been a PF without question, right now he has no position in the league.

This made me think of Tyson Chandler. It took him forever to figure it out. He's in his 11th season now and really only became a legit defensive low-post player over the last 3-5 years I think. Today he's one of the best centers in the game and that's more of a knock on the position as a whole. All that to say I agree...

 

[#1 pick]

While there are guys ready out of HS and some as freshman, most guys need two to three years in college.

 

[G-Zeus]

1992 David Robinson dominates MJ - YouTube

He wouldn't be able to keep up today though

so robin constitute the bulk of big men in the 80's? lol despite the fact he was picked in 87? meaning his career span in the 90's which makes him a 90's ball player WHICH.. is when they started to look for Athletes more then talents. i.e. Shawn Kemp..Shaquile (use to have good handles tho)
come on man..

were in the age of super athletes and injury proned players... it is what it is
started after jordan. adn we are now at it's peak.

 

[dantheman9758]

lol @ today being "too fast" ... the dominant center era's were even faster than today - In the two strongest eras of dominant bigmen (late 60's/early 70's and late 80's-mid 90's) those bigs were taught how to outlet pass and start fast breaks. Their era was too fast for todays big men. Today's bigs don't even think that fast. Today's big men are taught to play slow half-court games and let the guards and forwards create every single play and most bigs today can't even hit a hook shot, big man skill is a lost art - we have guys like Bynum telling Kareem "I know enough" and Dwight is as fluid as frankenstein despite Hakeems best efforts. There is nothing holding big men back except themselves and how they've been taught to play since a young age. We are in the post-MJ era, everyone wants to be like Mike, and soon everyone will want to be like Kobe and Lebron. Nobody wants to be like Wilt or Kareem anymore.

 

[RicanHavok]

so robin constitute the bulk of big men in the 80's? lol despite the fact he was picked in 87? meaning his career span in the 90's which makes him a 90's ball player WHICH.. is when they started to look for Athletes more then talents. i.e. Shawn Kemp..Shaquile (use to have good handles tho)
come on man..

were in the age of super athletes and injury proned players... it is what it is
started after jordan. adn we are now at it's peak.

Not for nothin but you posted a clip of a playoff game to back you're opinion. Playoff games are almost always slower and played in half court.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

While there are guys ready out of HS and some as freshman, most guys need two to three years in college.

Word?

 

[G-Zeus]

Not for nothin but you posted a clip of a playoff game to back you're opinion. Playoff games are always slower and played in half court.

not necesarely can be much faster because it is played half court.. it depends on the offensive..

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cfMsmmtsg[/ame]

looks at the pace difference 12 years later..

 

[threattonature]

The problem is definitely started at the younger ages. Post play is largely about college. That's where playing the stable high school and more years in college comes into play. There they can develop their confidence against outmatched opponents and get a sense of what works and what doesn't for them. They can do all the summer training they want once they hit the league without that confidence it's hard for the moves they learn to ever translate into the game.

 

[RicanHavok]

not necesarely can be much faster because it is played half court.. it depends on the offensive..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cfMsmmtsg

looks at the pace difference 12 years later..

True, I did edit in that "almost" afterwards but yea it does depend; much in the same way that DRob is an example and not representative of all big men in the 80's. Mostly just sayin...not really disagreeing.

 

[the white hiphop thief]

too fast a pace did this idiot watch any games in the 80's?

Brook Lopez and Marc Gasol arent fukkin gazelles and they are effective centers.Duncans an all time great and he isnt exactly Deandre Jordan running up and down the court

Thyeres no great centers anymore becasue big guys want to float on the peremter shoot jumpers and handle the ball instead of learning post moves

 

[#1 pick]

lol @ today being "too fast" ... the dominant center era's were even faster than today - In the two strongest eras of dominant bigmen (late 60's/early 70's and late 80's-mid 90's) those bigs were taught how to outlet pass and start fast breaks. Their era was too fast for todays big men. Today's bigs don't even think that fast. Today's big men are taught to play slow half-court games and let the guards and forwards create every single play and most bigs today can't even hit a hook shot, big man skill is a lost art - we have guys like Bynum telling Kareem "I know enough" and Dwight is as fluid as frankenstein despite Hakeems best efforts. There is nothing holding big men back except themselves and how they've been taught to play since a young age. We are in the post-MJ era, everyone wants to be like Mike, and soon everyone will want to be like Kobe and Lebron. Nobody wants to be like Wilt or Kareem anymore.

Artis Gilmore posterizes Kareem and Theus puts on a show - YouTube

You and Malta have this tendency to post great athletes in a different era as if they represented all athletes in the generation.

 

[G-Zeus]

too fast a pace did this idiot watch any games in the 80's?

Brook Lopez and Marc Gasol arent fukkin gazelles and they are effective centers.Duncans an all time great and he isnt exactly Deandre Jordan running up and down the court

Thyeres no great centers anymore becasue big guys want to float on the peremter shoot jumpers and handle the ball instead of learning post moves

OK lets put this shyt to rest... no its no perimeter shootin or ball handling.. cuz then jordan cease to exist..

its because of the 3 second violation rule... which was made to speed up the game.. which is why a guy like dexter pitman.. cant play 10 minutes without having 3-4 fouls...

rendering the big body in the paint waiting to swap balls.... PAUSE...useless

 

[mayhem]

whoever said that couldnt be more wrong

average Pace rating in the mid to late 80's : 102
average Pace rating this year : 91.3

games in the 80's had about 21 more possessions per game than today