"There are no real big men in the NBA"

[904]

Blacklethicism has changed...

We got 6'9" and up cats moving like guards... Everybody wants to be the next LeBron now... And none of these fathers or coaches are forcing their sons into the post..

I don't really buy the rule changes excuse... I still believe a properly coached traditional big man can dominate in this league... ESPECIALLY now since most of these guys have never had to defend against one

Add in new age athleticism and

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Theres a few traditional ones left but nowhere near as many as in the 80s and 90s. Blame/thank MJ and AI for that

 

[Captain Crunch]

Embid and Andre Drummond will save us

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Big Al was carrying Charlotte last year..and he was feasting on Miami in the playoffs, actually making the games pretty competitive for the talent the team had until he fukked up his ankles. Post play can still get it done. Big Al gonna show u this year with Lance added to the squad to start over bum ass Gerald Henderson

 

[010101]

That back to the basket game is going the way of the dinosaur
Why would you wanna rely on one dimension of the game when you could do it all?
Young gawds now all play face up
They stepped up the ball handling and the overall mobility for 4's and 5's
Sprinkle in that face up jumper shyt even the tre
It won't be long before all bigs are balling like Durant damn near 7ft and shaking nikkas out they kicks
fukk THOSE DINOSAURS*
It's a new day mothersuckers*

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah these nikkas just gahbage, b.



You're telling me Brook Lopez would be Hakeem if not for zones?

 

[Draje]

Stop making excuses for these bums.


Big men today aint dominanting today because they trash. Put the 90's big men in 2014 they would score at will damn near

It's not excuses, it's truth. Star big men from the 90s would still be great but you wouldn't be able to run an offense through them and they wouldn't ne nearly as effecient or dominant as they were in the 90s. You can't just throw the ball into the post and let big men just go to work anymore.

I am not about to summarily dismiss the impact of zones or defenses or entry passes but we can't summarily dismiss the impact of fundamentals and mental toughness as well. If nobody was able to get on the block and beast then I might be more inclined to accept that explanation but you still got Duncan and Dirk's old asses doin work. You got perimeter guys like Bron, Kobe, Melo, even Wade taking guys down in the post and going to work. KD is steadily working towards being able to do so. Desire, heart, and skill >>>>> any excuse you want to make.

Duncan and Dirk have amazing coaches who run very complex motion offenses to get good entry passes plus and are very good passers out of the post.

Lebron and Wade are very good passers out of the post so it's hard to double them plus, as you see, it's different for perimeter players because they're able to handle the rock.

Kobe and Melo don't run an offense out of the post but rather use it as a supplementary skill to rheir overall offensive again and use it for mismatches. PF and C do that today too. Ask Wade what happened when he got switched onto Diaw.

Blacklethicism has changed...

We got 6'9" and up cats moving like guards... Everybody wants to be the next LeBron now... And none of these fathers or coaches are forcing their sons into the post..

I don't really buy the rule changes excuse... I still believe a properly coached traditional big man can dominate in this league... ESPECIALLY now since most of these guys have never had to defend against one

Add in new age athleticism and

We have a bunch of great offensive big men. They don't dominate like you think. Cousins, Jefferson, Brooke Lopez, Aldridge, Horford, etc.

Why don't they dominate? Because their overall team offense isn't usually very good because running an offense through a back to back post player is typically a bad idea now.

Big Al was carrying Charlotte last year..and he was feasting on Miami in the playoffs, actually making the games pretty competitive for the talent the team had until he fukked up his ankles. Post play can still get it done. Big Al gonna show u this year with Lance added to the squad to start over bum ass Gerald Henderson

You might think Big Al was doing a good job but it wasn't doing a much as you think because the overall team offense suffered and Miami was content to give Big Al as many of those tries as he want because it doesn't so much for their offense but, even then, in key points or momentum changers, they swarmed him and got stops because they knew exactly what to do.

Miami slept walk through that series. They were never in any real threat. Charlotte's offense was too simple and Miami was too athletic for that series to turn out any other way.

Remember guys, I'm not saying post play is dead or that it's useless. I'm saying that running your offense through a back to the basket big men is pointless and next to impossible now.

 

[Draje]

Nah these nikkas just gahbage, b.



You're telling me Brook Lopez would be Hakeem if not for zones?

Nope, he'd be dropping points inlike Daugherty, Smits, Zo, and the like.

 

[Malta]

That back to the basket game is going the way of the dinosaur
Why would you wanna rely on one dimension of the game when you could do it all?
Young gawds now all play face up
They stepped up the ball handling and the overall mobility for 4's and 5's
Sprinkle in that face up jumper shyt even the tre
It won't be long before all bigs are balling like Durant damn near 7ft and shaking nikkas out they kicks
fukk THOSE DINOSAURS*
It's a new day mothersuckers*

Actually, it's on the comeback trail :DaGoat:


There are several young HS players with back to the basket games, all of them are over 6'10"

And if Joel Embiid can stay healthy he's going to be a major problem

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nope, he'd be dropping points inlike Daugherty, Smits, Zo, and the like.

But he already does.

 

[FTBS]

Duncan and Dirk have amazing coaches who run very complex motion offenses to get good entry passes plus and are very good passers out of the post.

Lebron and Wade are very good passers out of the post so it's hard to double them plus, as you see, it's different for perimeter players because they're able to handle the rock.

Kobe and Melo don't run an offense out of the post but rather use it as a supplementary skill to rheir overall offensive again and use it for mismatches. PF and C do that today too. Ask Wade what happened when he got switched onto Diaw.

Roy Hibbert is not exactly the greatest post player or passer or ball-handler, Indy doesn't run the greatest offense, and they most certainly don't have the greatest entry passers, and MIA was one of if not the greatest swarming defense ever and what happened in '13? This nikka was out like there looking like Shaq and pushed the Heat all the way to the brink as they had no answer. Same dude, same teams, same circumstances this year and dude looked hopeless out there. That's on his heart or lack thereof, not anything else.

Like I said, I am not gonna totally dismiss the other factors but heart and ability are playing the biggest part here. Post play and in turn proper entry passing and such are not being engrained in guys like it used to be from and early age and thusly they are indeed ill-equipped to deal with modern defenses. And dudes don't have the heart and hunger to go down there and make it work no matter what. Did you see the Spurs old offense? Wasn't shyt complex or motion about it and Duncan was putting in work. Same with Dirk. If you got it (heart and ability) there is no defense that it going to marginalize your post game.

 

[010101]

Actually, it's on the comeback trail :DaGoat:


There are several young HS players with back to the basket games, all of them are over 6'10"

And if Joel Embiid can stay healthy he's going to be a major problem

You think?
Man forreal that shyt ain't hot anyways young nikkas tryna catch that sc top ten ya dig
And tim duncan never makes that shyt
Post game is something every ball player should have from the point to the 5
Same way everybody should have a handle and jumper
We training kids younger and younger so they got plenty time to get their shyt tight
Of course certain body types are going to fit certain positions easier and use certain skills more frequently than others but you should have it all on deck regardless

I'm trying to see a more fast paced fluid style
fukk dumping the ball down in the block and stoping the game and shyt
Tell those big motherfukkers get they cardio up jahahahaa *

 

[Draje]

But he already does.

On far tougher defenses and amidst different rule changes that makes it harder for those dudes to score consisteny. I could see dudes like Lopez, Horford, Cousins, and Big Al putting up great numbers in the 90s too.

Remember, Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, and Ewing aren't the only 90 centers out there.

 

[Malta]

You think?
Man forreal that shyt ain't hot anyways young nikkas tryna catch that sc top ten ya dig
And tim duncan never makes that shyt
Post game is something every ball player should have from the point to the 5
Same way everybody should have a handle and jumper
We training kids younger and younger so they got plenty time to get their shyt tight
Of course certain body types are going to fit certain positions easier and use certain skills more frequently than others but you should have it all on deck regardless

Yeah, it's actually making a comeback now Eventually a superstar 5 is going to come along and one may already be here since Embiid has all the tools to be that, just needs to stay healthy. There are a bunch of young big men on the horizon with post games, Jahlil Okafor, Karl Towns, Diamond Stone and while he's extremely young Deandre Ayton has the fluidity to eventually develop in the post.

I'm trying to see a more fast paced fluid style
fukk dumping the ball down in the block and stoping the game and shyt
Tell those big motherfukkers get they cardio up jahahahaa *

There ain't a center in the league today that could run the floor with The Dream or The Admiral, and both dudes could hit you for 40+ on any given night. The NBA in the 80s was played at a faster pace than today and the centers kept up just fine and didn't slow the game down.

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

It's not excuses, it's truth. Star big men from the 90s would still be great but you wouldn't be able to run an offense through them and they wouldn't ne nearly as effecient or dominant as they were in the 90s. You can't just throw the ball into the post and let big men just go to work anymore.




Duncan and Dirk have amazing coaches who run very complex motion offenses to get good entry passes plus and are very good passers out of the post.

Lebron and Wade are very good passers out of the post so it's hard to double them plus, as you see, it's different for perimeter players because they're able to handle the rock.





You might think Big Al was doing a good job but it wasn't doing a much as you think because the overall team offense suffered and Miami was content to give Big Al as many of those tries as he want because it doesn't so much for their offense but, even then, in key points or momentum changers, they swarmed him and got stops because they knew exactly what to do.

Miami slept walk through that series. They were never in any real threat. Charlotte's offense was too simple and Miami was too athletic for that series to turn out any other way.

Remember guys, I'm not saying post play is dead or that it's useless. I'm saying that running your offense through a back to the basket big men is pointless and next to impossible now.

its not impossible

Al Jeff was killing Miami on one foot. Only reason they couldn't score is because they have no shooting or supporting post



Nothing to do with their best player playing out of the post


Yao was dominant after these rule changes y'all talking about


Memphis runs offense through the post and is doing just fine