There has to be hell for guys like Thomas Sowell

[ADevilYouKhow]

I don’t know if there’s a Hell or not but I imagine people like Thomas, @DEAD7 , @Uncle Hotep , etc are continuously reborn in c00n Paradise where they can relive their imagined glory of the Antebellum South.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Meanwhile he has done nothing tangible to help the black community while he has been running his mouth and enriching himself.

Bullshyt. But even if he was preaching self acceptance, he would push that message to black people not pander to racist cacs.

Preach "SELF acceptance" to white conservatives/racists by shytting on your brehthren brehs.

But you strike me as the same kind of Negro so I can see why his perspective would make sense to you.

Exactly if he cared about black ppl he would be pushing the message through black outlets not racist white ones.

THIS. The biggest clue that Sowell was on some bullshyt. Out there publishing his shyt in WND, RealClearPolitics, Townhall...who the hell was going to benefit from reading his anti-Black narratives in outlets with 95% White readership, half of whom are racist? He had to know that the sole actual outcome of his work was to make White people feel good to be exactly where they were, and yet he kept doing it. I'd love for him to come up with ONE positive outcome that ever resulted from his race commentary.

And in 2016 that mofo endorsed Ted Cruz for president, then refused to vote for Clinton in the general because....wait for it....he was afraid of her "Supreme Court picks".

I find the culture argument to be one of those issues conservatives use as a social commentary to attack certain groups in an indirect manner. Its like when those race and IQ theories prop up and these white proponents say "well East Asians have a higher IQ and we are not complaining" First as an empirical matter it is difficult to measure culture, almost all attempts contain a lot of measurement error even accounting for the fact that it is treated as a latent variable with many facets. For a guy who is intelligent as he is, Sowell uses immigrants (a group he admits is self-selected) as a comparison to native born populations. The reason they are a self-selected group is also debatable, he thinks its about drive ambition etc when there is also a lot of financial factors involved. American immigration prioritizes family reunions over skills based immigration like Canada or Australia. The option used by skilled immigrants tends to be through college education, an average family in a developing country cannot afford 4 year undergrad tuition. If you look at the figures released by the Government you will see that a lot of Indian and Chinese students for instance are over-represented in the grad students stats where schools normally give tuition waivers. The culture matters video above is more in line with Acemoglu's institutional explanation for immigrant groups settled in the West. Acemoglu's book had a fascinating blurb about how in the past Westerners attributed East Asian poverty to Confucian culture and then decades later cite it for the success of countries in those regions.

You nailed three fantastic points in that post.

Thomas is right about things and informed and other things he is heavily uninformed, especially outside of economics.

This is some stopped-clock shyt right here, I actually sortof agree with this. He is an intelligent man, and while I disagree with a lot in his economic theory it's certainly not uninformed. But the moment he steps out of economics he might as well be in the Tea Party he's so ignorant. It makes no sense to me unless he lives in an insane right-wing bubble or is just doing it to cut checks.

I don’t know if there’s a Hell or not but I imagine people like Thomas, @DEAD7 , @Uncle Hotep , etc are continuously reborn in c00n Paradise where they can relive their imagined glory of the Antebellum South.

You could add a lot of names here to that list.

 

[Take It In Blood]

Uncle Tom negros love this man though

 

[Secure Da Bag]

When I watched this video a couple of years ago, I was impressed with Sowell



His later work I found to be

 

[Professor Emeritus]

In 1960, the homicide rate in the United States was about half what it was in the mid-1930s. Then all the wonderful legal theories came in and reduced punishments, put restrictions on the police, and expanded rights for criminals. Over the next 20 years, the homicide rate doubles.

You had White Flight, urban decay, COINTELPRO, a massive increase in the number of guns on the street and the crack epidemic all adding up to a total abandonment of the inner city, but the thing Sowell really thinks drove homicide rates is that police had too many restrictions on them and industrial prison complex wasn't full enough.



None of ya'all can say he's doing that for money, he's too damn old to need money, he has to believe that shyt.

But I regard both Bush presidencies as retrogression. I think of the No Child Left Behind philosophy [in George W. Bush's administration] as utter utopian naiveté. There are children, whether in the United States or in England, who have no interest in education, who make it impossible for other children to get an education, and if they're not separated out, the other children simply will not get an education.

His big issue with the Bush administration is that they weren't enough with regards to poor Black kids?

Complain about the Bush administration and don't say a word about multiple failed wars, hundreds of thousands dead, skyrocketing federal deficits, the disaster in Katrina, torture, illegal detention, unconstitutional surveillance and the security state, regulatory destruction, environmental destruction, and the worse recession of our lifetimes. Don't even talk about the idiocy of obsessing our schools with standardized tests.

Instead, complain that the big problem with the Bush administration was that they had too much hope for struggling children.

The people who run Iran, I don't think they would regard it as any such tragedy if they were able to knock out half of the United States and the United States knocked out all of Iran while they were safely in some other country. You cannot deter suicide bombers, and you cannot deter the ruler of North Korea by the fact that we would kill 99 percent of the Korean people if we retaliated [so long as] he was in the 1 percent that we didn't get.

Yeah, with everything going on in the globe the big issue is not enough "Axis of Evil" fearmongering.



That interview made me think less of him than I already did.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Sowell tries to erase Black suffering and injustices he’s just as evil as his white counterparts

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

I think theres a role for black conservatives, but I won't let racists define how I view him.

I enjoyed what I read and wrote of his, if nothing else but for perspective.

Lowbrow both sides argument if I ever saw one

 

[DrBanneker]

His big issue with the Bush administration is that they weren't enough with regards to poor Black kids?

Complain about the Bush administration and don't say a word about multiple failed wars, hundreds of thousands dead, skyrocketing federal deficits, the disaster in Katrina, torture, illegal detention, unconstitutional surveillance and the security state, regulatory destruction, environmental destruction, and the worse recession of our lifetimes. Don't even talk about the idiocy of obsessing our schools with standardized tests.

Instead, complain that the big problem with the Bush administration was that they had too much hope for struggling children.

Yeah back during GWB when he wrote an editorial defending Michelle Malkin's In Defense of Internment which said the Japanese-American internment was justified by security concerns, and claiming people were only attacking her on "political correctness" grounds is pretty much when I stopped reading him regularly. Oppose race preferences in admissions and jobs but ok with it for prison camps? Nah, he was so gone. Even some conservatives recognized it

What is interesting though is the "bad kids in class" is an issue Sowell takes very personally. He first became a hero to the Right in 1968 when a professor at UCLA. UCLA asked him to teach an economics class to poor Black kids (Compton I think). He did an apparently two dudes in the class were disruptive and he kicked them out. UCLA asked him to let the kids back in and instead he decided to quit the class entirely (not sure why depriving the good kids was helpful but whatever). He got an interview based off this and national recognition. I remember reading the original interview and even in 1968 he was dissing the "bleeding hearts" that said the kids should be let back in. It kind of went on from there.

 

[Black Panther]

Sowell was, and always has been, in sore need of contextualized thinking.

His worldview only makes sense to people who habitually ignore anything that goes against their stagnated world-view.

 

[Takerstani]

His books are actually some of my favorites. (Econ degree, Master's in similar area).

 

[DrBanneker]

His books are actually some of my favorites. (Econ degree, Master's in similar area).

Knowledge and Decisions is well recognized by many people as a great book, regardless of ideology. I hear good things about Basic Economics though I haven't read it. When he starts straying from econ deep into "culture is everything regardless of context" like in his Race & Culture trilogy I think he goes astray and makes basic mistakes. His global warming denialism points were the worst for me since I have a physical science background and his arguments don't even sound good in that context.

Since you are an econ major, have you read The Economists' View of the World by Steven Rhoads? Great book that emphasizes the truth of basic (micro)economics but shows where the hard utilitarian philosophy of economics is blind to some realities. It quotes Sowell and many others without passing judgment.

 

[Takerstani]

Knowledge and Decisions is well recognized by many people as a great book, regardless of ideology. I hear good things about Basic Economics though I haven't read it. When he starts straying from econ deep into "culture is everything regardless of context" like in his Race & Culture trilogy I think he goes astray and makes basic mistakes. His global warming denialism points were the worst for me since I have a physical science background and his arguments don't even sound good in that context.

Since you are an econ major, have you read The Economists' View of the World by Steven Rhoads? Great book that emphasizes the truth of basic (micro)economics but shows where the hard utilitarian philosophy of economics is blind to some realities. It quotes Sowell and many others without passing judgment.

No, I haven't read it. I'll check it out. From the summary I've read, I'm not sure I'll agree, but I'll see what he says.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly if he cared about black ppl he would be pushing the message through black outlets not racist white ones.

This is why I appreciate Roland Martin. He will give you that black platform and then the real conservatives might pop up there if they're really down to debate...anyone else is a fraud honestly.

 

[DrBanneker]

No, I haven't read it. I'll check it out. From the summary I've read, I'm not sure I'll agree, but I'll see what he says.

It is a pro-econ book overall though it is a bit dated (40 years old). I think you might like it since the summary doesn't do it justice.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

TLR would love him

Sowell was, and always has been, in sore need of contextualized thinking.

His worldview only makes sense to people who habitually ignore anything that goes against their stagnated world-view.