There have been a lot of whispers that Eric Bieniamy won't land a HC job again this year

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If that's how you feel, OK. :hhh:
I'm not contributing to whatever is hindering Caldwell, but at this point he's the Tyrod Taylor of coaching candidates. Yeah he's not bad but if nobody believes they can win a Superbowl with him, hiring him then signals to the fanbase that they're not serious about winning. At this stage I don't know what Caldwell can do to change people's minds.

Also, how many NFL coaches have you seen manage to get a third HC gig? Usually after the second one, you either remain a coordinator or you're done altogether.


As for Bienemy, at a certain point, I'm surprised nobody has hired Bienemy on some "even if he sucks, y'all can't rip me for the hire cuz you woulda did it too" type shyt.
 

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I'm not contributing to whatever is hindering Caldwell, but at this point he's the Tyrod Taylor of coaching candidates. Yeah he's not bad but if nobody believes they can win a Superbowl with him, hiring him then signals to the fanbase that they're not serious about winning. At this stage I don't know what Caldwell can do to change people's minds.

Also, how many NFL coaches have you seen manage to get a third HC gig? Usually after the second one, you either remain a coordinator or you're done altogether.


As for Bienemy, at a certain point, I'm surprised nobody has hired Bienemy on some "even if he sucks, y'all can't rip me for the hire cuz you woulda did it too" type shyt.

Thanks, you get it. Damn near all of us Lions breatheren understood that Caldwell had to go. The record was fugazi at the end of the day. We backed I to wins at times, there was rarely a time outside of 2014 that we just put the beats on a team out the gate and it stayed that way for four quarters. I called for Caldwell's job all four years, on this very board which is a search away for anyone wanting to validate it. We get it, most of y'all don't watch lions games but for those of us that suffer through them, we could tell you the following.

We didn't cry when he got fired.
He did a lot of dumb shyt like the play call for the hail mary Aaron Rodgers threw against us and that back and forth kind of thing.
For being an offensive guy, we always came out in the third quarter flat, i.e. lack of adjustments.
We always had penalties with having 11 men on the field.

So, they see the record of 36-28 and go, wtf are the lions doing, especially when the franchise is riddled with futility. However, most of us Lions fans on this board watched those 64 games for the sum of their individual totals and we saw that where water found its level was to be barely above average with Caldwell. The only person that we would have been willing to fight for during that regime was Teryl Austin, the DC who turned water into wine during his entire tenure.
 

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I'm not contributing to whatever is hindering Caldwell, but at this point he's the Tyrod Taylor of coaching candidates. Yeah he's not bad but if nobody believes they can win a Superbowl with him, hiring him then signals to the fanbase that they're not serious about winning. At this stage I don't know what Caldwell can do to change people's minds.

Also, how many NFL coaches have you seen manage to get a third HC gig? Usually after the second one, you either remain a coordinator or you're done altogether.

How many coaches have the resume Caldwell has? Tyrod Taylor? Stop. Caldwell has a hell of a resume. You dump a guy like that you better replace him with someone better. You didn't. Now all this talk about "the record was fraudulent". Who gives a shyt? You're judged on wins and losses.

Lions fans have experience with Championship football so I'll fall back. :mjlol:
 

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I'm not contributing to whatever is hindering Caldwell, but at this point he's the Tyrod Taylor of coaching candidates. Yeah he's not bad but if nobody believes they can win a Superbowl with him, hiring him then signals to the fanbase that they're not serious about winning. At this stage I don't know what Caldwell can do to change people's minds.

Also, how many NFL coaches have you seen manage to get a third HC gig? Usually after the second one, you either remain a coordinator or you're done altogether.


As for Bienemy, at a certain point, I'm surprised nobody has hired Bienemy on some "even if he sucks, y'all can't rip me for the hire cuz you woulda did it too" type shyt.
Some orgs need a Tyrod type coach. Hell if I was Houston or Detroit, I’d have been on the phone with Marvin lewis
 

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Excellent breakdown. Largely what I take from that is that EB is a great teacher. Which seems to be a rare thing. Besides the ones obvious reason, why wouldn't someone want him as coach? Could it be they fear the offenses success is more predicated on personnel than scheme?

It's the obvious ones. The NFL is a good ole boy network and always have been. They want to keep the power in the same hands. Black coaches are usually only hired as caretakers of shytty teams. It's even more rare for black OCs to get hired. There's only two of them and they get downgraded by saying the HC calls all of the plays.

Mike Tomlin is the primary exception to the caretaker rule, but it's known that every time he doesn't win a Super Bowl the Steeler fans want him out.
 

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Texans are going to hire him in an attempt to appease Watson. Its unfortunate they had no interest in him initially but I think this is how it will play out assuming Watson gives this feedback this will keep him a Texan.
 

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The general lack of opportunity for minorities in head gigs is apparent and warrants continued conversion and needs watchdogs calling it out....but it’d be nice to have a critical eye on some of these individual situations.

The trend is clearly for the young dudes, period. Flores is only like 38 I think, and he got hired before lots of hot names. There is reason in NE that people are already talking about Jerod Mayo being a candidate...and he’s been like a linebacker coach for a season lol.

That’s where the opportunities are going to be, young guy, former players, less experienced etc. Almost like the NBA drafting high schoolers....all these teams are looking for upside coaches now.

The league should be filling those position coaches with 30 year old black men ASAP, if they are not already.

So many of these dudes getting jobs are under 40 it’s bonkers.
 

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I’ve been on the Bieniemy to Houston train since butt chin got fired. Just wish we could get a new owner too :francis:
 

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I'm not contributing to whatever is hindering Caldwell, but at this point he's the Tyrod Taylor of coaching candidates. Yeah he's not bad but if nobody believes they can win a Superbowl with him, hiring him then signals to the fanbase that they're not serious about winning. At this stage I don't know what Caldwell can do to change people's minds.

Well stated. I experienced this first hand when he coached Indy.
He's not a bad coach, but I was not sad to see him go. Most people here would agree he deserves a chance, but most of those same people would be mad if their team hired him.
 
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