These studies should have brought an end to modern Black feminism...

[Dance_Like_A_Fiend]

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

www.vox.com

"the black-white gap persists even among boys who grow up in the same neighborhood. Controlling for parental income, black boys have lower incomes in adulthood than white boys in 99% of Census tracts. Both black and white boys have better outcomes in low-poverty areas, but black-white gaps are larger on average for boys who grow up in such neighborhoods. The few areas in which black-white gaps are relatively small tend to be low-poverty neighborhoods with low levels of racial bias among whites and high rates of father presence among blacks. Black males who move to such neighborhoods earlier in childhood earn more and are less likely to be incarcerated. However, fewer than 5% of black children grow up in such environments."



The inheritance of black poverty: It's all about the men | Brookings



“We conclude based on the preceding analysis that the black-white intergenerational gap in individual income is substantial for men, but quite small for women. It is important to note, however, that this finding does not imply that the black-white gap in women’s individual incomes will vanish with time. This is because black women continue to have substantially lower levels of household income than white women, both because they are less likely to be married and because black men earn less than white men.”




Yet it still some how persists when none of the main tenets are supported by data


The notion that Black women face the same amount of discrimination as Black men and boys is false

And the notion that Black men oppress Black women is ludicrous

Not just black women (although they do it a lot, you can even see it in this very site), but women in general argue through projection, false equivalences, ad hominem, disingenuousness, and gaslighting. Feminists especially.

 

[Voice of Reason]

im going through it now and that article did a good job of sumizing that study.

so far that study is very narrowly focused.

I mean...
they're counter argument is people saying black people are mentally inferior.

thats a extreme viewpoint that most people no matter their race or political beliefs hold...
most people point towards culture.

this study doesnt look at any of that.

its only how much the parents make, are the parents together, how much do the children make.

if the children make less they say its discrimination.

even if you agree with their conclusion you have to admit this is pretty weak.

Hiring disparities don't exist


Black kids get suspended more often for similar infractions does not exist?

Black men getting harsher sentences for similar crimes does not exist?


Stop being a "free thinking" bootlicker for your cac daddy and see reality.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

www.vox.com

"the black-white gap persists even among boys who grow up in the same neighborhood. Controlling for parental income, black boys have lower incomes in adulthood than white boys in 99% of Census tracts. Both black and white boys have better outcomes in low-poverty areas, but black-white gaps are larger on average for boys who grow up in such neighborhoods. The few areas in which black-white gaps are relatively small tend to be low-poverty neighborhoods with low levels of racial bias among whites and high rates of father presence among blacks. Black males who move to such neighborhoods earlier in childhood earn more and are less likely to be incarcerated. However, fewer than 5% of black children grow up in such environments."



The inheritance of black poverty: It's all about the men | Brookings



“We conclude based on the preceding analysis that the black-white intergenerational gap in individual income is substantial for men, but quite small for women. It is important to note, however, that this finding does not imply that the black-white gap in women’s individual incomes will vanish with time. This is because black women continue to have substantially lower levels of household income than white women, both because they are less likely to be married and because black men earn less than white men.”




Yet it still some how persists when none of the main tenets are supported by data


The notion that Black women face the same amount of discrimination as Black men and boys is false

And the notion that Black men oppress Black women is ludicrous

Why would that end feminism? If anything it should encourage women to keep working and getting educated for a better life.

 

[V Skyye]

I don't understand why this is supposed to be an argument with women instead of an argument with the oppressor. It says that Black women also get discriminated against and often have less than white women. So why are we supposed to argue about who's more oppressed? What is the expectation for what Black women should do in response to this study?

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

“I am super super super super super super super tired of the way sociological data is used to reify the myth that Black women are superhuman,” the historian and philosopher of science Chanda Prescod-Weinstein wrote.


The data flat out shows that Black men and boys are systematically discriminated against in ways that Black women and girls are not.

And I'm not saying this to discount the higher amount of relationship violence and other unique challenges Black women face.

I don't care what she is. You're radicalized in your own way.

And I doubt you looked at the data or even read the article you're quoting, because it would have led to a different conclusion than what your thread title suggests. Instead of making a thread to discuss the conditional outcomes among Black - White men and Black - White women or how school dropout rates, incarceration, and college attendance rates differ, you decided to make it about the feminism boogeyman.

You're trying to make a stupid gender wars thread out of this when it shouldn't even be about that, but about who's actually steering society to cause such disparities in the first place.

 

[V Skyye]

Why would that end feminism? If anything it should encourage women to keep working and getting educated for a better life.

And is the main reason that Black women have always been in the workforce at higher numbers than women of other races. We had a large amount of women working since the 60s when White women were still at home.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

The article included this because it foresaw people like you using it to push a narrative. Just like with that bullshyt Moynihan report, which they mention.

OP is nothing but a piece of shyt who makes gaslighting threads. That article more than anything highlights how brutal and crushing white surepmacy is and yet OP is using to attack black women. fukk him

Every day people like him come here and attack black women. They never have that heat for the white racists tho

 

[Voice of Reason]

I don't understand why this is supposed to be an argument with women instead of an argument with the oppressor. It says that Black women also get discriminated against and often have less than white women. So why are we supposed to argue about who's more oppressed? What is the expectation for what Black women should do in response to this study?

Black women should stop the bullshyt and harmful narrative that Black men are oppressing them.

And secondly, it destroys the narrative that "Black women can overcome white supremacy so why can't Black men"


Black women face barriers but they are different than those that Black males face.


The facts don't support either of those narratives.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Why would that end feminism? If anything it should encourage women to keep working and getting educated for a better life.

No one said that Black women should stop working but the data does not mesh with the reality.

Intersectionality is BS and does not exist and Black men are not oppressing Black women.

 

[Voice of Reason]

The mindless attack dogs have arrived

 

[Voice of Reason]

OP is nothing but a piece of shyt who makes gaslighting threads. That article more than anything highlights how brutal and crushing white surepmacy is and yet OP is using to attack black women. fukk him

Every day people like him come here and attack black women. They never have that heat for the white racists tho

I'm attacking the notion that the Black patriarchy oppresses Black women.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I'm attacking the notion that the Black patriarchy oppresses Black women.

You're literally using white supremacy as an excuse to attack black women. FOH

 

[OfTheCross]

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

www.vox.com

"the black-white gap persists even among boys who grow up in the same neighborhood. Controlling for parental income, black boys have lower incomes in adulthood than white boys in 99% of Census tracts. Both black and white boys have better outcomes in low-poverty areas, but black-white gaps are larger on average for boys who grow up in such neighborhoods. The few areas in which black-white gaps are relatively small tend to be low-poverty neighborhoods with low levels of racial bias among whites and high rates of father presence among blacks. Black males who move to such neighborhoods earlier in childhood earn more and are less likely to be incarcerated. However, fewer than 5% of black children grow up in such environments."



The inheritance of black poverty: It's all about the men | Brookings



“We conclude based on the preceding analysis that the black-white intergenerational gap in individual income is substantial for men, but quite small for women. It is important to note, however, that this finding does not imply that the black-white gap in women’s individual incomes will vanish with time. This is because black women continue to have substantially lower levels of household income than white women, both because they are less likely to be married and because black men earn less than white men.”




Yet it still some how persists when none of the main tenets are supported by data


The notion that Black women face the same amount of discrimination as Black men and boys is false

And the notion that Black men oppress Black women is ludicrous

Black men have a lot of catching up to do..

 

[V Skyye]

Black women should stop the bullshyt and harmful narrative that Black men are oppressing them.

And secondly, it destroys the narrative that "Black women can overcome white supremacy so why can't Black men"


Black women face barriers but they are different than those that Black males face.


The facts don't support either of those narratives.

If any Black woman thinks she overcame white supremacy she's a clown and isn't worth a conversation. And this is why these types of conversations are counter productive. Post Trayvon, Mike Brown, George Floyd...we at least were united against discrimination and brutality against our people. I truly think this gender war stuff is the newest psyops waged against us to prevent unity and family. Stop arguing with empty headed young women and leave them where they are. Most people with sense understand that we are oppressed and discriminated against. It affects the way we move in this world and the way we treat each other. If you want to build a family, get you a woman and go build one. The oppression Olympics will get us nowhere.

 

[Slimkid07]

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

www.vox.com

This finding has already provoked considerable controversy, especially within black academic circles. The study brings to mind, for some, the Moynihan Report of 1965. That report, issued by policy analyst and future senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan and widely decried as racist by many sociologists for its characterization of the black family as pathological and dysfunctional, was also, in the words of Ta-Nehisi Coates, “a fundamentally sexist document that promotes the importance not just of family but of patriarchy, arguing that black men should be empowered at the expense of black women.”

The numbers above could be read (misread, in my opinion) as implying the same: that policy solutions need to be tailored to help black men but not black women. Ibram X. Kendi, a historian and director of the Antiracist Research and Policy Center at American University, who was quoted in the Times’s initial write-up of the study, took to Twitter to add, “We should not focus our antiracist policies on black boys and yet again neglect black girls on the basis of racist ideas that black girls are strong (and black boys are weak). We must not let this study become the new Moynihan report.”

“I am super super super super super super super tired of the way sociological data is used to reify the myth that Black women are superhuman,” the historian and philosopher of science Chanda Prescod-Weinstein wrote.

The evidence is right there in their fukking face and they refuse to throw a bone towards acknowledging how it is for black men.
fukking BS man.