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First, Cornwell would argue that Winston’s accuser is not a victim and thus not protected by the Act. Law enforcement declined to charge Winston and, through Cornwell, Winston has maintained his innocence. While Winston could still face charges under the relevant statute of limitations, the likelihood of charges at this point is low.

Second, Cornwell would stress that the identity of Winston’s accuser has been publicly known for over a year. A Google search of her name coupled with “Jameis Winston” shows numerous hits, including her name appearing on message boards and on Twitter. Reader comments accompanying articles published online also mention her name. Cornwell could thus insist that his tweet failed to cause any privacy harm.

Third, Cornwell would contend that the identity of Winston’s accuser is a topic of legitimate public concern and is also protected by the First Amendment. Cornwell would highlight the media’s enthusiastic interest in the allegations against Winston and thereby the newsworthiness of those allegations. Along those lines, Cornwell would portray Winston’s accuser as contributing to, if not causing, her need for privacy. He would dismiss the accuser’s allegations as false and designed to inflame public opinion.

Lastly, Cornwell would stress that his job is different from journalists and law enforcement. He is Winston’s attorney, and thus has a professional obligation to ensure that Winston is treated fairly and justly. An accused’s right to confront his accuser is a hallmark of our criminal justice system. By revealing the name of Winston’s accuser, Cornwell can assert that he is acting in accordance with his duties as a defense attorney.



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2. Invasion of Privacy

Winston’s accuser might also consider an invasion of privacy claim against Cornwell for public disclosure of private facts. This would be a difficult claim to raise, since courts generally regard facts that are of legitimate public concern to fall outside of protected facts. Plus, courts broadly interpret “legitimate public concern” to include the vast majority of stories in the news. Then again, considering that law enforcement and most media have shielded the accuser’s name, name might not be of legitimate public concern.

3. Defamation

It would be a stretch to argue that Cornwell’s tweet constitutes defamation. Even if the tweet, by naming Winston’s accuser, damages the reputation of the accuser, it is nonetheless truthful: the tweet correctly identifies the last name of the person accusing Winston of rape. This is important because truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

As to Cornwell tweeting that Florida State University gave the accuser 20 months to file a complaint, the statement seems plausible given the known timeline in this Winston controversy. Even if 20 months exaggerates the actual amount of time the accuser received, the mistake likely would not provide a persuasive defamation claim for the accuser. Dates are often the subject of debate in litigation.

Also, Winston’s accuser is arguably a public figure by this point, even if most people don’t know her name. If she is a public figure, she would face an added hurdle to prove a defamation claim: she would have to show that Cornwell defamed her with actual malice, meaning that Cornwell intended or had clear knowledge the accuser would be defamed by her name appearing on his Twitter page.

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The problem with this type of reasoning is that Twitter has not suspended Cornwell’s account or taken any apparent steps against him. Cornwell thus seems well poised to argue he lacked malice in his tweet. Moreover, the accuser’s name, photo and other identifying characteristics have appeared on other Twitter accounts for over a year. It is unknown if the accuser or her attorneys have requested that Twitter remove tweets containing her name. If such a request hasn’t been made, it would undermine a claim against Cornwell for engaging in the same practice on Twitter.

4. False Light

A false light claim against Cornwell would likely also fail. False light refers to a true, but very misleading, published statement that damages a person’s reputation. Perhaps Cornwell’s inclusion of the accuser’s name was designed to mislead the public into believing that it is acceptable to use her name. This type of reasoning is speculative at best. Plus, the Florida Supreme Court recently rejected false light as a viable cause of action.

5. State Bar Discipline for Unethical Conduct

Cornwell is admitted to practice law in Georgia, New York and California. As a member of those states’ bars, he is obligated to adhere to ethical standards.

Cornwell’s accuser could accuse Cornwell of acting unethically by expressing her name on Twitter. Attorneys found to have engaged in unethical practices can be suspended and, in extraordinary situations, even disbarred.

In response to any bar complaint, Cornwell would insist that he is simply doing his job. He has been retained to zealously advocate for Winston in defense of accusations that he raped a woman. This same client faces a university disciplinary hearing that, as I haveexplored on SI.com, raises serious questions about fairness and due process. Cornwell contends that these are false allegations by a real person whose name, Cornwell would argue, should be known. Some attorneys, especially criminal defense attorneys, would be sympathetic to such a defense by Cornwell.

Bottom line: Cornwell’s tweet may have been inappropriate, even obnoxious, but it probably was lawful and likely designed to advance his client’s interests.
 

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First, Cornwell would argue that Winston’s accuser is not a victim and thus not protected by the Act. Law enforcement declined to charge Winston and, through Cornwell, Winston has maintained his innocence. While Winston could still face charges under the relevant statute of limitations, the likelihood of charges at this point is low.

Second, Cornwell would stress that the identity of Winston’s accuser has been publicly known for over a year. A Google search of her name coupled with “Jameis Winston” shows numerous hits, including her name appearing on message boards and on Twitter. Reader comments accompanying articles published online also mention her name. Cornwell could thus insist that his tweet failed to cause any privacy harm.

Third, Cornwell would contend that the identity of Winston’s accuser is a topic of legitimate public concern and is also protected by the First Amendment. Cornwell would highlight the media’s enthusiastic interest in the allegations against Winston and thereby the newsworthiness of those allegations. Along those lines, Cornwell would portray Winston’s accuser as contributing to, if not causing, her need for privacy. He would dismiss the accuser’s allegations as false and designed to inflame public opinion.

Lastly, Cornwell would stress that his job is different from journalists and law enforcement. He is Winston’s attorney, and thus has a professional obligation to ensure that Winston is treated fairly and justly. An accused’s right to confront his accuser is a hallmark of our criminal justice system. By revealing the name of Winston’s accuser, Cornwell can assert that he is acting in accordance with his duties as a defense attorney.



Should FSU sit Jameis Winston until legal issues are resolved?
On Wednesday's SI Now, Sports Illustrated senior writer Pete Thamel discusses the current situation with the Winston investigation and whether we will see his hearing take place before the season ends.


2. Invasion of Privacy

Winston’s accuser might also consider an invasion of privacy claim against Cornwell for public disclosure of private facts. This would be a difficult claim to raise, since courts generally regard facts that are of legitimate public concern to fall outside of protected facts. Plus, courts broadly interpret “legitimate public concern” to include the vast majority of stories in the news. Then again, considering that law enforcement and most media have shielded the accuser’s name, name might not be of legitimate public concern.

3. Defamation

It would be a stretch to argue that Cornwell’s tweet constitutes defamation. Even if the tweet, by naming Winston’s accuser, damages the reputation of the accuser, it is nonetheless truthful: the tweet correctly identifies the last name of the person accusing Winston of rape. This is important because truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

As to Cornwell tweeting that Florida State University gave the accuser 20 months to file a complaint, the statement seems plausible given the known timeline in this Winston controversy. Even if 20 months exaggerates the actual amount of time the accuser received, the mistake likely would not provide a persuasive defamation claim for the accuser. Dates are often the subject of debate in litigation.

Also, Winston’s accuser is arguably a public figure by this point, even if most people don’t know her name. If she is a public figure, she would face an added hurdle to prove a defamation claim: she would have to show that Cornwell defamed her with actual malice, meaning that Cornwell intended or had clear knowledge the accuser would be defamed by her name appearing on his Twitter page.

ROSENBERG: New Winston allegations obscure more important discussion

The problem with this type of reasoning is that Twitter has not suspended Cornwell’s account or taken any apparent steps against him. Cornwell thus seems well poised to argue he lacked malice in his tweet. Moreover, the accuser’s name, photo and other identifying characteristics have appeared on other Twitter accounts for over a year. It is unknown if the accuser or her attorneys have requested that Twitter remove tweets containing her name. If such a request hasn’t been made, it would undermine a claim against Cornwell for engaging in the same practice on Twitter.

4. False Light

A false light claim against Cornwell would likely also fail. False light refers to a true, but very misleading, published statement that damages a person’s reputation. Perhaps Cornwell’s inclusion of the accuser’s name was designed to mislead the public into believing that it is acceptable to use her name. This type of reasoning is speculative at best. Plus, the Florida Supreme Court recently rejected false light as a viable cause of action.

5. State Bar Discipline for Unethical Conduct

Cornwell is admitted to practice law in Georgia, New York and California. As a member of those states’ bars, he is obligated to adhere to ethical standards.

Cornwell’s accuser could accuse Cornwell of acting unethically by expressing her name on Twitter. Attorneys found to have engaged in unethical practices can be suspended and, in extraordinary situations, even disbarred.

In response to any bar complaint, Cornwell would insist that he is simply doing his job. He has been retained to zealously advocate for Winston in defense of accusations that he raped a woman. This same client faces a university disciplinary hearing that, as I haveexplored on SI.com, raises serious questions about fairness and due process. Cornwell contends that these are false allegations by a real person whose name, Cornwell would argue, should be known. Some attorneys, especially criminal defense attorneys, would be sympathetic to such a defense by Cornwell.

Bottom line: Cornwell’s tweet may have been inappropriate, even obnoxious, but it probably was lawful and likely designed to advance his client’s interests.
are you a law student? what about this fsu hearing bullsh!t? whens it going to take place?

i hear these type of hearings basically the accused no shot of winning
 

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are you a law student? what about this fsu hearing bullsh!t? whens it going to take place?

i hear these type of hearings basically the accused no shot of winning
naw bruh, lol. Thats from Sports Illustrated.

The 17th. Unless the lawyer calls for an injunction.

Here is more about why its a sham for Jameis to go through with it.



"It's like a kangaroo court," said Daniel Wallach, an appellate attorney in Fort Lauderdale.

Wallach highlighted a series of flaws in the process, although it's unclear whether FSU will even be sticking to existing rules. Winston's attorney can be present but is not allowed to speak unless the judge allows it. Meanwhile, the accuser will represented by "the university," presumably a lawyer or someone well-versed in prosecution.

In football terms, that's like a graduate assistant at Muskogee State going against Nick Saban. And Saban can introduce written statements as testimony even if they were not taken under oath.

Such hearsay evidence would be laughed out of a real courtroom. And Winston can't very well cross-examine a piece of paper, which raises another issue.

"How likely is a fair hearing when you have a 20-year-old college sophomore without any legal training asking questions?" Wallach said.

Other provisions also mock the concept of due process. In criminal court, juries and judges must be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that a defendant is guilty.

Here the verdict is based on "preponderance of evidence," meaning Winston's guilty if the judge thinks the evidence is 51 percent persuasive.

Stack all that against the risks Winston takes by showing up. There is no provision for the proceeding to be sealed. Unless an exception is agreed on, Winston's testimony can be used against him in the inevitable civil trial.

It also could reopen a criminal investigation, which means potentially being charged with a crime that could carry a 15-year prison sentence.

To which a lot of you are saying, "I'll Tomahawk Chop to that!"

I wouldn't mind seeing Winston spend a few nights in jail for simply being a serial bonehead. But change the accused's name from Winston to your son's.

Would you think the setup is fair?

"Jameis Winston is being treated no differently than any other student at FSU," Wallach said. "It doesn't make the rules fair. They're unfair to every student."

The amazing thing is more people don't revolt against them. FSU's code of conduct process is similar to those at hundreds of other schools.

The majority of cases are for things like using a fake ID, drunkenness or harassment. A more serious charge like sexual assault would seem to require a more serious process.

"There are procedural rules in place that are intended to protect fairness and due process for all students involved," Dr. Mary Coburn, vice president for student affairs, said in a statement. "The focus of the Student Conduct Code is educational, not punitive."
 

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naw bruh, lol. Thats from Sports Illustrated.

The 17th. Unless the lawyer calls for an injunction.

Here is more about why its a sham for Jameis to go through with it.



"It's like a kangaroo court," said Daniel Wallach, an appellate attorney in Fort Lauderdale.

Wallach highlighted a series of flaws in the process, although it's unclear whether FSU will even be sticking to existing rules. Winston's attorney can be present but is not allowed to speak unless the judge allows it. Meanwhile, the accuser will represented by "the university," presumably a lawyer or someone well-versed in prosecution.

In football terms, that's like a graduate assistant at Muskogee State going against Nick Saban. And Saban can introduce written statements as testimony even if they were not taken under oath.

Such hearsay evidence would be laughed out of a real courtroom. And Winston can't very well cross-examine a piece of paper, which raises another issue.

"How likely is a fair hearing when you have a 20-year-old college sophomore without any legal training asking questions?" Wallach said.

Other provisions also mock the concept of due process. In criminal court, juries and judges must be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that a defendant is guilty.

Here the verdict is based on "preponderance of evidence," meaning Winston's guilty if the judge thinks the evidence is 51 percent persuasive.

Stack all that against the risks Winston takes by showing up. There is no provision for the proceeding to be sealed. Unless an exception is agreed on, Winston's testimony can be used against him in the inevitable civil trial.

It also could reopen a criminal investigation, which means potentially being charged with a crime that could carry a 15-year prison sentence.

To which a lot of you are saying, "I'll Tomahawk Chop to that!"

I wouldn't mind seeing Winston spend a few nights in jail for simply being a serial bonehead. But change the accused's name from Winston to your son's.

Would you think the setup is fair?

"Jameis Winston is being treated no differently than any other student at FSU," Wallach said. "It doesn't make the rules fair. They're unfair to every student."

The amazing thing is more people don't revolt against them. FSU's code of conduct process is similar to those at hundreds of other schools.

The majority of cases are for things like using a fake ID, drunkenness or harassment. A more serious charge like sexual assault would seem to require a more serious process.

"There are procedural rules in place that are intended to protect fairness and due process for all students involved," Dr. Mary Coburn, vice president for student affairs, said in a statement. "The focus of the Student Conduct Code is educational, not punitive."

so im going to assume this hearing is after the season is over? if it is he might as well just enter the draft

i kinda feel this is fsu's way of forcing him out
 

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so im going to assume this hearing is after the season is over? if it is he might as well just enter the draft

i kinda feel this is fsu's way of forcing him out


Yep. Remember that report about Jameis declaring because the higher ups at FSU want him gone?
Even though he may have left already, but he's all but gone now. Play the season out and declare. I think thats understood from the attorney's perspective as well. Just keep delaying this until he can declare.
 

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The Florida State student code of conduct hearing into sexual assault allegations against Jameis Winston has been postponed, the attorney for Winston's accuser told the Tampa Bay Times Friday. The school had originally scheduled the hearing for the week of Nov. 17, attorneys announced earlier this week.


Per the Times, Winston attorney David Cornwell has requested the delay from Florida State, stating that additional time is needed to properly prepare for the case. No rescheduled date has yet been made public.

"Mr. Cornwell obviously doesn't want his client to ever to do this hearing," accuser attorney John Clune told the Times.

The hearing is the result of the university's Title IX-required investigation into allegationsthat Winston sexually assaulted a female student in December 2012, which was reopened in August of this year. Assuming the hearing takes place before Winston leaves school, it will be overseen by former Florida Supreme Court chief justice Major Harding. Harding could charge Winston with up to four violations of the FSU student code of conduct.

Winston's second-ranked Seminoles play Virginia Saturday.

 

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The Florida State student code of conduct hearing into sexual assault allegations against Jameis Winston has been postponed, the attorney for Winston's accuser told the Tampa Bay Times Friday. The school had originally scheduled the hearing for the week of Nov. 17, attorneys announced earlier this week.


Per the Times, Winston attorney David Cornwell has requested the delay from Florida State, stating that additional time is needed to properly prepare for the case. No rescheduled date has yet been made public.

"Mr. Cornwell obviously doesn't want his client to ever to do this hearing," accuser attorney John Clune told the Times.

The hearing is the result of the university's Title IX-required investigation into allegationsthat Winston sexually assaulted a female student in December 2012, which was reopened in August of this year. Assuming the hearing takes place before Winston leaves school, it will be overseen by former Florida Supreme Court chief justice Major Harding. Harding could charge Winston with up to four violations of the FSU student code of conduct.

Winston's second-ranked Seminoles play Virginia Saturday.


how long can this be delayed?
 

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Not sure. Thought I saw a while back that it could be up to 60 days if he gets an injunction.

national title is jan 12, 2015

so when he has this hearing he can be charged with things and then he has to go back to another hearing later?
 

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http://dystnow.com/2014/11/10/conversations-between-jameis-winston-and-chris-rabb/

:comeon::russ:

Gotta be fake
 
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