@thewordismine13 Let's discuss what about intersectionality makes you a c00n

[theworldismine13]

11 Powerful Photos of Latinos Standing in Solidarity With Black Lives Matter

Asian Americans Crowdsource Open Letter to Families: 'Black Lives Matter To Us, Too'

Mexican and Black Solidarity In The Time of 'Black Lives Matter'



There's plenty of examples. But I'm sure y'all will come up with a reason they don't count

That doesn't count, those are individual articles by individuals, what I want to see is where other groups are discussing uniting with black people in an open forum

And did you even read the articles, all the articles are basically begging Mexican and asians to stop being racist and acknowledge that both asians and latinos are fundamentally anti black cultures

The premise off both articles is based on something you refuse to acknowledge, that the Asians and Latinos are anti black and they have stood by and said nothing while black people were being brutalized and that some of the police doing the brutalizing were themselves minorities

Those articles are proof that you are a black liberal c00n

 

[MeachTheMonster]

That doesn't count,

Right

 

[theworldismine13]

Is that what I said or was that merely your weak attempt to put words in my mouth? Miss me with that. You’re so off base that it would be generous to call what you typed a strawman.

Unlike you, I subscribe to a realist’s view of the world, understand social movements, and what institutional power means in practice not just rhetorically.

You say you’re trying to dominate this country, I’d love to hear your proposal to do so. Try not to drift too far into ahistorical fantasy.

That was simply my interpretation of your post

I understand completely what you are saying but your understanding of reality is clouded by lack of vision and defeatism

 

[theworldismine13]

Right

Yep, any black person that reads those articles and comes to the conclusion that there is a movement in the Asian and Latino communities to unite with black people is either an idiot or a black liberal c00n or both

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yep, any black person that reads those articles and comes to the conclusion that there is a movement in the Asian and Latino communities to unite with black people is either an idiot or a black liberal c00n or both

 

[theworldismine13]

It's not my position to prove. It's you are are making the position that black people achieved everything we've gotten without the support of non blacks.

That statement is false. I'm not going to waste my time disproving a negative when it's on you to disprove the affirmative.

How did black people, without the support of white people, convince white people to acquiesce control and give blacks more rights?

Actually it is your position to prove, if you can't show evidence of Asian and Latino intersectionalizing then your whole spiel in going hard for illegal immigration is bs

White people aquiesced to giving black people some rights on paper because black people were getting agitated and were about to destroy this country, they used MLK as a cover to sideline the malcom x's

Black people do not owe a god dam thing to white people

 

[Pressure]

Actually it is your position to prove, if you can't show evidence of Asian and Latino intersectionalizing then your whole spiel in going hard for illegal immigration is bs

White people aquiesced to giving black people some rights on paper because black people were getting agitated and were about to destroy this country, they used MLK as a cover to sideline the malcom x's

Black people do not owe a god dam thing to white people

Black people were about to destroy this country? MLK is now a c00n? Malcolm X is now solely responsible for black civil rights?

Do you believe the shyt you say?

 

[theworldismine13]

Black people were about to destroy this country? MLK is now a c00n? Malcolm X is now solely responsible for black civil rights?

Do you believe the shyt you say?

Yeah, in the 60's black people were getting agitated and it was tearing the country apart

I didn't say MLK was a c00n or that Malcom x was responsible for civil rights

I said exactly what I said, the us government went along with the MLK civil rights movement to sideline more radical movements

That's all I said, that isn't even a radical statement, that's basic black history

 

[Pressure]

Yeah, in the 60's black people were getting agitated and it was tearing the country apart

I didn't say MLK was a c00n or that Malcom x was responsible for civil rights

I said exactly what I said, the us government went along with the MLK civil rights movement to sideline more radical movements

That's all I said, that isn't even a radical statement, that's basic black history

during the 60s around 3/4ths of whites agreed that blacks should have civil rights. the marches,the protest, the sit ins, etc became an affective tool because when attacked it showed the ugly violent nature of white nationalism. People weren't trying to cosign that.

There is and was a place for strong even violent black nationalism as a defense to white supremacy, but it's a stretch to suggest as you are that it was the reason blacks gained civil rights.

This is your ahistortical fetish fantasy.

 

[Pressure]

I said exactly what I said, the us government went along with the MLK civil rights movement to sideline more radical movements

And didn't that movement have non black allies?

 

[theworldismine13]

during the 60s around 3/4ths of whites agreed that blacks should have civil rights. the marches,the protest, the sit ins, etc became an affective tool because when attacked it showed the ugly violent nature of white nationalism. People weren't trying to cosign that.

There is and was a place for strong even violent black nationalism as a defense to white supremacy, but it's a stretch to suggest as you are that it was the reason blacks gained civil rights.

This is your ahistortical fetish fantasy.

I'm not saying anything radical in terms of black nationalism and it's impact on civil rights legislation you apparently haven't read a lot

 

[theworldismine13]

And didn't that movement have non black allies?

There were white individuals that were involved in the civil rights movement but there was no major movement in white communities to support black people

And the minuscule support came about because of MLK's very carefully worded statements and not being too radical

I give MLK his props and he was not a c00n but the civil rights model is not a good model going forward

Black people should not compromise our goal just to attract minuscule outside help

For example if we black people say we want to dominate, we should be free to make that our goal but if your goal is to find some sort of settlement with other groups then you end up compromising and clutching your pearls when the God says let's dominate

All other groups are trying to dominate it's only black people, misled by white liberalism, that refuse to discuss our goals in those terms

 

[Anyanwu]

That was simply my interpretation of your post

I understand completely what you are saying but your understanding of reality is clouded by lack of vision and defeatism

If that's your interpretation of my post, then you don't understand a scintilla of what was written.

There's nothing defeatist or clouded about my post, we're not even far enough along for you be to throwing out such wild and baseless assertions. All I did was establish the field of play.

No to mention you also failed to offer so much as a counterfactual to lay out your position.

In short, you're talking a big rhetorical game but you haven't demonstrated how to go about achieving it in practice. Furthermore, you thumb your nose at the reality of the situation just because it doesn't fit with your fantasy.

 

[theworldismine13]

If that's your interpretation of my post, then you don't understand a scintilla of what was written.

There's nothing defeatist or clouded about my post, we're not even far enough along for you be to throwing out such wild and baseless assertions. All I did was establish the field of play.

No to mention you also failed to offer so much as a counterfactual to lay out your position.

In short, you're talking a big rhetorical game but you haven't demonstrated how to go about achieving it in practice. Furthermore, you thumb your nose at the reality of the situation just because it doesn't fit with your fantasy.

It's all about culture and mentality, black people need to realign our culture to be one of domination

I don't have a clue about how we will dominate anymore than our slave ancestors knew how they were going to be free, but they knew they were going to be free and slowly changed their culture and rhetoric around freedom

Domination rhetoric is important in analyzing ideologies,
I know that if somebody is advocating a position or ideology that isn't about helping black people be dominant then their ideology should be thrown in the garbage, that is why intersectionalism is bs

 

[Anyanwu]

It's all about culture and mentality, black people need to realign our culture to be one of domination

Agreed although I think domination is superfluous is this context. Since you're so found of it perhaps you should define it in the context of reality.

I don't have a clue about how we will dominate anymore than our slave ancestors knew how they were going to be free, but they knew they were going to be free and slowly changed their culture and rhetoric around freedom

Eh... I would suggest reading up on/refreshing yourself with the W.E.B. Du Bois model and the Booker T. Washington model for Black America. The issue we have is that as a community we made it one or the other (with Du Bois winning), when they aren't mutually exclusive.

The ideas are there (perhaps they need to be updated), we just don't have the leadership to spread the message.

Domination rhetoric is important in analyzing ideologies,
I know that if somebody is advocating a position or ideology that isn't about helping black people be dominant then their ideology should be thrown in the garbage, that is why intersectionalism is bs

Domination rhetoric that doesn't account for the way the world works and very real limits of power is worthless and dated.

The black community truly coalescing and being fruitful is not contrary to intersectionality. Working with other communities, when and where we can, to end white supremacy and curtail the corporatism does not undermine our community's strategic goals.

MLK himself knew that and that's part of the reason he was assassinated...