they say Lupe is to Preachy. But i have never said Chuck D...

[rapbeats]

they say Lupe is to Preachy. But i have never said these rappers/groups were preachy:
Chuck D & flav(public enemy
KRS-1
Xclan
De La Soul
Ice Cube
Nas
Outkast
Goodie Mob
Mos Def
Talib
Dead Prez
The Coup
Killer Mike


and you can ask anyone that came up during these rappers/groups primes. if they felt "They were to preachy." they will say they never even thought about it.

so the question is what makes yall youngins today so special where you can disrespect an artist like LUPE and call him too PREACHY?

Sounds to me like someone is wrong with the listener not the artist.

 

[CaughtInTWebb]

I've honestly never heard anyone refer to Lupe as too preachy.....

 

[yesiambowling]

Nas and Talib () have been called preachy numerous times. I'm sure if Killer Mike and Dead Prez had more commercial success they'd be called preachy as well.

And I don't even like the new Lupe album.

 

[rapbeats]

Nas and Talib () have been called preachy numerous times. I'm sure if Killer Mike and Dead Prez had more commercial success they'd be called preachy as well.

And I don't even like the new Lupe album.

in their primes? lupe is in his prime right now. see its one thing to call those dudes preachy when they flabby and sick. career is just tour dates and not much else. that has more to do with it then them actually being "TOO PREACHY"
what i'm saying is when they were HOT. no one ever said that about neither one of them.

not that i can recall.

 

[rapbeats]

I've honestly never heard anyone refer to Lupe as too preachy.....

oh reallly. are you lying ? or do you just not pay attention to any of the latest food and liq 2 threads? or any other lupe thread?

exhibits A, B and C your honor.
http://www.the-coli.com/1623957-post1084.html

http://www.the-coli.com/1621639-post1072.html

http://www.the-coli.com/1611719-post1.html

 

[Long Live The Kane]

It's as valid a criticism as any...if someone personally doesn't find a rapper, literally, lecturing them to buy a Camry because it gets better gas mileage and is cheaper to insure particularly entertaining...that's their prerogative...as much as it's somebody else's right to not enjoy an album with a bunch of gun violence and drug dealing...no one need be special or whatever to have an opinion...y'all find the most ridiculous ways to frame shyt with absurd nostalgic absolutist glory day rhetoric...PE and all of those other acts were universally loved by every rap fan on earth and never once called preachy by no one ever huh? ...simply rapping about "positivity" does not make somebody's music impervious to criticism

I hate you rapbeats...worst poster ever

 

[Darth Nubian]

There is a difference between the listener feeling like the artist is dropping jewels and feeling like the artist giving a sermon

 

[Loose]

I've honestly never heard anyone refer to Lupe as too preachy.....

 

[rapbeats]

It's as valid a criticism as any...if someone personally doesn't find a rapper, literally, lecturing them to buy a Camry because it gets better gas mileage and is cheaper to insure particularly entertaining...that's their prerogative...as much as it's somebody else's right to not enjoy an album with a bunch of gun violence and drug dealing...no one need be special or whatever to have an opinion...y'all find the most ridiculous ways to frame shyt with absurd nostalgic absolutist glory day rhetoric...PE and all of those other acts were universally loved by every rap fan on earth and never once called preachy by no one ever huh?

I hate you rapbeats...worst poster ever

put it this way. if i took 100 people from the age of 15 to 25. you would get a good 60 people that would swear LUPE is too preachy. i wont say out of that 60 which would still like his stuffy anyway. thats not the point.

now if you would've asked any random 100 people from 15 to 25 back when Chuck D was hot. i bet you , you would hear less then 15 that say he's preachy.

There's a reason for this. dont try to dance around it.

THE listener of yesteryear vs the listener of today. something has changed in the listener. LUPE as an artist is still the same as those listed (introspective rapper trying to kick knowledge. So the artist hasnt changed. the EARS of the listeners HAVE.

even when you like the guy you still call him preachy. that means you're ears are being taught to only realllly enjoy negativity, debauchery, etc. notice i said ONLY. sure everyone enjoyed that nonsense back in the day when PE was hot. but we would never call PE too preachy. because we knew they served a purpose and we DESIRED to hear them serve that purpose.
if lupe flew to mars and never came back. most of yall wouldnt even notice. and thats a shame. one of if not THEE best lyricist of this generation. and we're not talking about some silly chino Xl type, slaughter house lyrics either.

 

[rapbeats]

There is a difference between the listener feeling like the artist is dropping jewels and feeling like the artist giving a sermon

this is true. and the question i ask is still the same. WHY is it that all of a sudden a lupe type of artists is DEEMED the preacher of sermons. and not the jewel dropper?

thats my point. WE called CHUCK D, KRS 1, Xclan, etc JEWEL DROPPERS. we didnt call TALIB, MOS DEF PREACHY. not in their primes. we called NAS a jewel dropper. not pREACHY in his prime.

whats the difference, what has changed? the deliver of the introspective artist is still the same from PE to lupe. but the listener now calls the introspective artist PREACHY. yall dont find that strange?

 

[The Unknown Hype]

some on the list are alot more subtle and leave it up to the listener to decide. im actually more moved not to do things by hearing from somebody that lived that life and is telling a unbiased story than being told what not to do with no look to the other side.

 

[jaguar paw]

Wanted to read the thread but the OP is too preachy.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Ive never felt like Lupe is talking down to the people listening to his music so I don't see it as 'preachy'

 

[Darth Nubian]

this is true. and the question i ask is still the same. WHY is it that all of a sudden a lupe type of artists is DEEMED the preacher of sermons. and not the jewel dropper?

thats my point. WE called CHUCK D, KRS 1, Xclan, etc JEWEL DROPPERS. we didnt call TALIB, MOS DEF PREACHY. not in their primes. we called NAS a jewel dropper. not pREACHY in his prime.

whats the difference, what has changed? the deliver of the introspective artist is still the same from PE to lupe. but the listener now calls the introspective artist PREACHY. yall dont find that strange?

I think it is because fans felt like Chuck,X-Clan, etc were in the streets/dirt with us. Lupe is obviously not having the same connection with some of today's hip hop fans.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

put it this way. if i took 100 people from the age of 15 to 25. you would get a good 60 people that would swear LUPE is too preachy. i wont say out of that 60 which would still like his stuffy anyway. thats not the point.

This is the rap messageboard equivalent of pseudo-science...which is to say, total bullshyt you've pulled out of your ass...in reality, Lupe has several gold albums, certified platinum singles and hit records, grammy nominations...and truth be told has been more successful and widely celebrated in his day than a lot of the names in your initial post did in theirs...hell Killer Mike is arguably in his prime RIGHT NOW, put out what I believe is still the album of the year a couple months before Lupe's...and has not gotten even a fraction of the shine, respect, or pats on the back as Lupe has for his LP...There's a thread with a 1000plus posts in it stickied at this very moment, with the majority of them gushing about his album

Do some people think he's too preachy, sure...not everybody is gonna love everybody's music, but ain't shyt wrong with that...is that the overwhelming stance on him by most of the rap populace, no it's not...his content, the sociopoltical tone in his music and general stance and image are the pretty much pillars of dude's entire draw as a successful rap artist....all things considered Lupe is one of the popular figures in rap the past 6, 7 years...that's like an entire era of hip hop