They tryna come for Dave Chapelle

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I feel they are overreacting and many of them probably never watched it. If they watched it and heard his story about his friend who died they would get the bigger picture which was stop being so damn sensitive. We are all humans at the end of the day and should be able to laugh at each other.
 

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Like when he defended Kramer 15 years ago? Do y’all listen to Dave at all?



He has said multiple times, comedians shouldn’t be precise and he will defend comedians attempts to tell jokes. “I didn’t come here to be right, came here to fukk around”.

The fact that you keep bringing up Joe Rogan as an influence on Dave’s thinking is low key :mjpls: A black man can’t think for himself? And what Covid misinformation has he spread? :comeon:


Yeah Dave has said many many many times the last 20 years that on a comedian level he agrees they have a right to touch on anything. Even if he says he doesn't agree with what they say.

Dave is like Richard Pryor and Paul Mooney. Them dudes can find humor is anything. Death, racism, hate, rape, molestation, war and etc.

One of the wildest jokes Pryor had was how his mother was a prostitute and how the white Johns would be so nice when coming by to have sex with her. The white Johns would come by and say hey little buddy can you see if your mother is free so we can have sex. But the black dudes would say to him hey little man check if your momma is free and tell that bytch I want to fukk.

Here this man Pryor who had a horrible upbringing where his mother is a prostitute was able to make a joke out of Johns having sexual appointments with his mother.

Also folks calling Dave jokes cruel are mistaken. Mooney, Dice Clay and Sam Kinison were cruel. Dave is is just crude he will make a trans joke then talk about daphne or then make a joke about how he shared a dance and spent the night with a transwoman.

Dave is just crude and self deprecating (like pryor). But since we dealing with a dishonest media, a dumbed down population and multiple generations of Americans that are dumber than previous ones. Folks lack nuance and accuracy when discussing matters.
 
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Some of you may have heard that Dave Chappelle has a new special on Netflix. Titled The Closer, it is a work where Black, white, Asian, Jewish and LGBTQ people all get their turn under the heat of Chappelle’s merciless social commentary. Within an hour of its release and every hour since, social media and the blogosphere has been ablaze with reactions both pro and con about it. But buried underneath the avalanche of opinions are some key points that Chappelle made: that whiteness overrules any form of marginalization a white person is dealing with, that in America Black life is cheap, and there is a hierarchy of offense in America that Black people are at the bottom of.

The core of the outrage over Chappelle’s new special is his jokes at the expense of transgender individuals. I will not question the validity of how people feel but his jokes must be taken in the context that he contrasts the advances in protections other groups have made compared to those of Black Americans and the worth of Black lives in America. It’s true that DaBaby killing another Black man had no adverse effect on his career and may have benefitted it. Corporate control of hip-hop has reduced mainstream hip-hop culture to a blood sport that resembles the Mandingo fighting from Django Unchained. The biggest, or most aggressive brute stereotype is the most credible and most rewarded by the music industry and consumed by a mostly white fanbase. There is an entire network of blogs, podcasts and reality shows that feed this machine and there is no pushback on this from groups who claim to be allies to Black people.

Black LGBTQ people and activists have been calling out the racism in predominately white LGBTQ organizations and spaces for decades. Compare the swift public statements of condemnation of DaBaby from mainstream LGBTQ orgs with their near silence on Ed Buck, the wealthy Los Angeles political donor who’s long and well-known history of predatory behavior led to the deaths of two Black queer men.

The statement about whiteness overruling every other consideration also works in reverse. Dave Chappelle is a very wealthy, influential, and powerful man. But he is still a Black man. That fact can be used to negate his accomplishments whenever America chooses. History-even recent history-is filled with examples of this and if we are going to address harm done marginalized communities, Black Americans, no matter their sexual or gender identity, rank at the bottom of every socioeconomic success metric in America.

The point is, outrage over being offended is all too often selective and led by white people with the power to enforce penalties for offending them. Black people have peeped this and are questioning-out loud-why we should be sociopolitical mules for people who are silent about our struggles for the sake of a solidarity that all too often only flows one way?

There’s also the question of what can be joked about and who can do it. Dave Chappelle exists in the same timeline as Sarah Silverman, South Park, Family Guy, and Judd Apatow, all of whom have been celebrated for their dark humor and racially insensitive comedy. What makes Dave Chappelle outside of that tradition? Is it because his dark comedy comes wrapped in his dark skin, or because of the targets? I suspect many of the people outraged over The Closer had no problem laughing at Black jokes told by Chappelle, Chris Rock, or scores of other comedians.

Historically the jester was the only member of a royal court who could speak truth to power. Whether by force or custom, Black comedians have always walked that tightrope in America, skillfully couching harsh realities with humor. But where the work of Godfrey Cambridge, dikk Gregory, Richard Pryor and George Carlin was mostly shared via albums and word of mouth in an era when the public had time to absorb their material and discuss it at length, in the current age of immediate delivery of art and immediate reactions to it thanks to social media, instant praise and outrage often hinders us having to sit with the ideas presented by our creatives. Dave Chappelle is a master of using comedy as a medium to make American society see the anti-Blackness, injustice and hypocrisy at its core and every group contributes to that. People aren’t angry with Chappelle, they’re angry at the reflection in the mirror he held up.
 

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:ehh: .. and that is the point some of his detractors are missing.

dave is pushing it to the point of offense to force "people" to confront their own biases.

and to confront the fact that some maginalised don't forget how to punch down (on brehdom) when they need to.

dave swings from so many directions that it has some people confused.

it's a perilous line that he is walking but he has the skill to do it.
 

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Great post and well thought honest article.

I also said after watching this standup. Why are folks going at Dave when South Park and Family Dad have been making Trans and gay jokes for decades and continue to do so till this day and no one says a word. It's the fact that the writers/creators are white. Along with the fact the American society is based on making money on black entertainers building them up and tearing them down sometimes even doing this simultaneously.

I always bring up the fact that ESPN made money promoting Tiger as the next big thing in sports. Then made even more money promoting him as the worst thing in sports after his avg white wife went upside his head.
 

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just watched the stand up last nite and he definitely od'ed with all the gay jokes:scust: shyt wasnt even that funny either
 

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Ayo wtf is cistheteronomy?:what:

Their method of constructing compound words is unmatched but so simple at the same time. They start it with a prefix, then add the first half of a word, & then throw in a random suffix. BOOM, an official word because they're gay & they said so.
 

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I agree with those who believe that cancel culture has no place in comedy routines. Behind the scenes is a whole other story.

Dave’s a very intelligent guy. He knew what backlash he would face. That’s why he’s ending it on this note.

Hes always been is own man for the most part .
 

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I agree with those who believe that cancel culture has no place in comedy routines. Behind the scenes is a whole other story.

Dave’s a very intelligent guy. He knew what backlash he would face. That’s why he’s ending it on this note.

Hes always been is own man for the most part .
Yea back to his farm
 
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