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Nkrumah Was Right

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You aren't getting what I'm saying and you aren't going to clearly.

If the US military is so terrible, which military are you picking to beat them? Let's hear this.

Son, do you understand what war is? It's the pursuit of political aims through the use of armed force.

1) America sought to unify the Korean peninsula when Gen. MacArthur invaded North Korea - China invaded North Korea, pushed America's hat in and beat American forces to a 'draw'. America lost its aims of unifying Korean peninsula under Rhee.

2) America sought to defeat North Vietnam and create a viable South Vietnam - North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam and now there's one Vietnam. America lost its war aims of keeping South Vietnam alive.

3) America invaded/occupied Afghanistan to create a democratic Afghan government - the Taliban defeated the United States/NATO and now the Taliban control Afghanistan. America lost its war aims of keeping Afghanistan democratic.

ETC. ETC.

You can keep making excuses, but America keeps losing wars
 

Nkrumah Was Right

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The cope and tears from the anti Americans itt :umad:

It's weird. At the height of the British Empire, the British could admit when they lost wars. But they were extremely rational about it and made plans to eventually get back at their enemies.

If American imperialists had the gumption of the British, they would make contingency plans to defeat the Vietnamese government, re-invade Afghanistan, re-occupy Iraq and try again.

Instead, they just lie about their losses.
 

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You do realize modern warfare is extremely profitable for both the government and the business inscribed the dealing of death……right?

America's war in Vietnam caused 1970s stagflation which robbed the US economy of trillions.

:francis:

Do you think the American gov't/industry was happy that not ONLY did they lose the war, but their war spending triggered stagflation which gutted its industrial base?

Sometimes, I wonder if Coli posters are knowledgeable about history.
 

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Son, do you understand what war is? It's the pursuit of political aims through the use of armed force.

1) America sought to unify the Korean peninsula when Gen. MacArthur invaded North Korea - China invaded North Korea, pushed America's hat in and beat American forces to a 'draw'. America lost its aims of unifying Korean peninsula under Rhee.

2) America sought to defeat North Vietnam and create a viable South Vietnam - North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam and now there's one Vietnam. America lost its war aims of keeping South Vietnam alive.

3) America invaded/occupied Afghanistan to create a democratic Afghan government - the Taliban defeated the United States/NATO and now the Taliban control Afghanistan. America lost its war aims of keeping Afghanistan democratic.

ETC. ETC.

You can keep making excuses, but America keeps losing wars
I'll address 2 and 3.

2. The US always has and always will classify Vietnam as a 'defense action'. There is a reason the US military never actually moved into North Vietnam. Their goal was not to 'conquer' North Vietnam otherwise they would have moved troops into North Vietnam.

3. The US in no way shape or form lost to the Taliban. The US basically squatted in Afghanistan for 20 years, until the public and our president finally said 'ok we've been here long enough, we trained and armes your people and built schools.' The Taliban came back and beat an Afghan army without having to fire a single shot, they didn't beat our military.

I won't argue 1 because technically that is basically what happened because North and South Korea are technically at war still it has just become an ice cold conflict.
 

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Bruh this dude saying they aren't good enough, they killed 2 million fukking people in Vietnam and they did that while sitting on their fukking hands 90% of the time. They never even put a single soldier into North Vietnam proper and they wiped their army the fukk out. How do you wipe out an army without even invading them, yet he wants to say they can't win. The US could send some of these countries he is mentioning back to the stone ages if they wanted to and that isn't even debateable it's an actual fact. :mjlol:
Yeah, it's a clear disconnect from reality or a lack of actual information. Especially in Vietnam, they rushed into it based on public sentiment and political scheming and disregarded concerns from actual military minds regarding terrain and the environment. This caused more problems than the actual enemy, they couldn't even use half the assets available and they still managed to murder millions while losing a fraction of their own. Well within the acceptable loss margins but again, it was I'll planned and the public wasn't prepared for it and they collapsed on the politicians.

Imagine your favorite team showing up to play for the Championship wearing the wrong gear, a game plan on a napkin, and their own fans booing them and still dropping 50 on the scoreboard before quitting at halftime. :deadrose:

You can recognize America's scumbaggery and still maintain logic. Brehs acting like they have to choose between being a cheerleader or an idiot.
 

Nkrumah Was Right

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I'll address 2 and 3.

2. The US always has and always will classify Vietnam as a 'defense action'. There is a reason the US military never actually moved into North Vietnam. Their goal was not to 'conquer' North Vietnam otherwise they would have moved troops into North Vietnam.

3. The US in no way shape or form lost to the Taliban. The US basically squatted in Afghanistan for 20 years, until the public and our president finally said 'ok we've been here long enough, we trained and armes your people and built schools.' The Taliban came back and beat an Afghan army without having to fire a single shot, they didn't beat our military.

I won't argue 1 because technically that is basically what happened because North and South Korea are technically at war still it has just become an ice cold conflict.

Lots of cope in the above -

First, America was too chicken to invade North Vietnam because it was afraid that China would push their hat back in, just like what they did in 1950. So really, it was America's fear of China that removed that strategic option from America's military. America was too chicken to invade North Vietnam, but brave enough to invade Laos and Cambodia (bomb both) and still lose

:ohlawd:

re: Afghanistan - who controls Afghanistan today? The American-backed government that US soldiers fought and died for over 20 years or the Taliban?

Stop it!
 

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Yeah, it's a clear disconnect from reality or a lack of actual information. Especially in Vietnam, they rushed into it based on public sentiment and political scheming and disregarded concerns from actual military minds regarding terrain and the environment. This caused more problems than the actual enemy, they couldn't even use half the assets available and they still managed to murder millions while losing a fraction of their own. Well within the acceptable loss margins but again, it was I'll planned and the public wasn't prepared for it and they collapsed on the politicians.

Imagine your favorite team showing up to play for the Championship wearing the wrong gear, a game plan on a napkin, and their own fans booing them and still dropping 50 on the scoreboard before quitting at halftime. :deadrose:

You can recognize America's scumbaggery and still maintain logic. Brehs acting like they have to choose between being a cheerleader or an idiot.

A big American myth, that especially American conservatives in the lead up to Reagan liked to say, is that we fought in Vietnam with one hand behind our backs.

America had 500,000 soldiers in Vietnam, dropped more bombs on North Vietnam than it dropped on Japan during WW2, spent over 1 trillion USD in today's money in Vietnam, invaded Laos and Cambodia and you're still saying you didn't try.

Goodness.

EDIT - Peak US troop count in 1968 was 549,500* - during the Johnson Administration :wow:
 

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It's weird. At the height of the British Empire, the British could admit when they lost wars. But they were extremely rational about it and made plans to eventually get back at their enemies.

If American imperialists had the gumption of the British, they would make contingency plans to defeat the Vietnamese government, re-invade Afghanistan, re-occupy Iraq and try again.

Instead, they just lie about their losses.
America's only real loss in modern times was Vietnam. The Communists won, and won decisively. While the US may have not taken out NK, US assistance preserved the south. Afghanistan and Iraq were "lost" due to lack of political will to essentially colonize the countries. I guess you can count the sacking of DC in the war of 1812. :yeshrug:

The point is dude didn't lie. The US is not to be fukked with. It can project power anywhere, any time.
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Nkrumah Was Right

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America's only real loss in modern times was Vietnam. The Communists won, and won decisively. While the US may have not taken out NK, US assistance preserved the south. Afghanistan and Iraq were "lost" due to lack of political will to essentially colonize the countries. I guess you can count the sacking of DC in the war of 1812. :yeshrug:

The point is dude didn't lie. The US is not to be fukked with. It can project power anywhere, any time.
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The Korean War counts as a loss, only because after the Inchon landing, Gen. MacArthur got the OK from Washington to reconquer the entire Korean peninsula and unite it under the Rhee regime. Unfortunately for Rhee/MacArthur, China invaded after the US crossed the Yalu river and pushed the US/UN forces all the way back to the Busan perimeter. America had to drop A LOT of ordinance to push the Chinese back to the 38th parallel.

War is politics. The UK lost the 'political will' after Yorktown to continue fighting the American colonists. The UK lost the political will to send more redcoats down to South Africa after the First Boer War.

America CAN be fukked with and is reaching the water's edge with respect to its military might.
 
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