THIS is HUGE: Gbagbo goes free at ICC court in The Hague

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Many that dont know the story behind this may not appreciate how huge this is but this is HUGE!!!


I just spoke to my boy and some other folks i know who live in Ivory Coast (I was there last month) . People are in the streets partying right now.

Gbagboa is far more popular in the country than the current president, Alassane Ouattara whom the French government supported when they took Gbagboa into custody. If you need any more evidence of how France, The United States, England and Germany manipulate 3rd world countries politics for their own gains, Ouattara's wife (white woman next to him in this pic) is FRENCH and is a (rumored) close associate of French ex-president Nicolas Sarkozy...who supported Ouattara

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-Alassane Ouattara - Current president


Ivory Coast ex-leader acquitted at ICC

BBC.com said:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague has acquitted Ivory Coast ex-President Laurent Gbagbo.

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He had been charged with crimes against humanity in connection with violence following a disputed 2010 election that left 3,000 dead and 500,000 displaced.

Mr Gbagbo was captured in 2011 in a presidential palace bunker by UN and French-backed forces supporting his rival, Alassane Ouattara.

He was the first former head of state to go on trial at the ICC.

What was Mr Gbagbo accused of?
The violence in Ivory Coast, the world's biggest cocoa producer, came after Mr Gbagbo refused to accept that he had lost a disputed election run-off to Mr Ouattara in 2010.

The five months of violence that followed were described as some of the most brutal clashes the country had ever seen.

During the political stand-off there were bloody clashes and targeted killings in Abidjan in the south, and several hundred were massacred in the western town of Duekoue.

Prosecutors said Mr Gbagbo clung to power "by all means" and charged him with four counts of crimes against humanity, murder, rape and other forms of sexual violence, persecution and "other inhuman acts".

He denied the charges, which he said were politically motivated.

ICC judges ruled on Tuesday that he had no case to answer because the prosecution had not managed to prove several charges against him. They have ordered his immediate release.

Presiding Judge Cuno Tarfusser said the prosecution had "failed to demonstrate that public speeches by Gbagbo constituted ordering or inducing the alleged crimes".

Mr Gbagbo's supporters whooped, cheered and threw their firsts in the air in the public gallery following the announcement, the BBC's Anna Holligan reports from the court.

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One of his supporters, Gragbayou Yves, who had travelled to the court from Paris, told AFP news agency: "I am very, very happy. Finally there is some justice."

However, victims of the violence are opposed to his release.

"If Laurent Gbagbo is released, we victims will not see justice," Karim Coulibaly, who was shot in the violence and had to have his arm amputated, told AFP earlier.

"I was a driver but now I am unemployed. I'm not against reconciliation but first you have to look after the victims."

Is this a blow to the ICC?
"Whenever a case involving mass atrocities essentially collapses at the ICC, it does damage to the perception of the court as a credible and effective institution of international justice," Mark Kersten, author of Justice in Conflict, told the BBC's Anna Holligan.

"Many are concerned that the court is emerging as an institution where only rebels can be successfully prosecuted," he added.

The ICC has also seen cases collapse against former DR Congo Vice-President Jean-Pierre Bemba, and former Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta.

On the other hand, the ruling demonstrates the judges' independence and impartiality and makes it harder to push the narrative, popular among those who fear the long arm of the ICC, that the court is a biased weapon of neo-colonial justice used purely to convict African leaders, our correspondent says.

Janet Anderson, a writer for the Justice Tribune, told the BBC: "It's important also to find people not guilty or to find there isn't a case to answer if there isn't one."
 
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Political Prosecution. The ICC picks and chooses who they want to prosecute for political reasons. Gbagbo is the glaring second example in Africa within the past year.
The ICC cant prosecute anyone without state referral or UNSC referral. Almost all the Africans cases have been state referral. So this narrative doesnt add up. Blame Africans for settling their scores through it :manny:
 

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Many that dont know the story behind this may not appreciate how huge this is but this is HUGE!!!


I just spoke to my boy and some other folks i know who live in Ivory Coast (I was there last month) . People are in the streets partying right now.

Gbagboa is far more popular in the country than the current president, Alassane Ouattara whom the French government supported when they took Gbagboa into custody. If you need any more evidence of how France, The United States, England and Germany manipulate 3rd world countries politics for their own gains, Ouattara's wife (white woman next to him in this pic is FRENCH and is a (rumored) childhood friend of French ex-president Nicolas Sarkozy...who supported Ouattara

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-Alassane Ouattara - Current president


Ivory Coast ex-leader acquitted at ICC

CIV is a polarized nation, I know Ivorians who hated him :manny: Your boy most likely shares his ethnic group or from his region. The celebrations are also polarized along ethnic and regional lines.

Its not true that Ouattara is unpopular. The whole crisis started because he was inevitably going to win the Presidency, but the constitution was rigged over and over to ensure he doesnt get a chance to hold office. Then when he finally won, Gbagbo didnt accept the result and tried to force a Government of National Unity. Theres nothing easier than for African Presidents to don the cloth of anti-imperialist when all goes wrong. The story is far more complex than that.


As for this ruling, it was clear this was going to happen considering all the delays. But politics in CIV has already moved past the civil war fault lines. The current president pardoned Gbagbo's wife months ago, and his party was already in the clear to run again. The current President also cannot run for another term, and theres already splinters in the ruling coalition to succeed him. Its highly unlikely that things will revert back to square one, not immediately at least.
 

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The ICC cant prosecute anyone without state referral or UNSC referral. Almost all the Africans cases have been state referral. So this narrative doesnt add up. Blame Africans for settling their scores through it :manny:

A state referral does not negate that prosecutions are political. Gbagbo was probably referred by the by the winner of the elections in CIV who had the full backing of France. When I mean political, I mean the powerful nations get to decide who to prosecute with African actors being complicit. I'll give you an example in which I am very familiar with.

Jean Pierre Bemba in 2006 won the elections against Kabila but massive fraud and the international community support for Kabila made him President of DRC. He had troops in which he sent to the CAR at the request of the CAR President Ange-Felix Patasse to quell a rebellion. Bemba's troops committed atrocities and war crimes however Patasse was never prosecuted for those crimes even though Bemba had no longer control of those troops but conveniently had been the only viable opponent against a Western-backed Joseph Kabila in 2006.

That's why I mean political as in the rule of law is not applicable to everyone and nobody is equal under the law there are those who are above it. I am not against the idea of an ICC but conveniently the state referral provision can be instrumentalized for political vendetta or for those in power in X country not to be prosecuted since they control the judiciary branch of government.
 

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CIV is a polarized nation, I know Ivorians who hated him :manny: Your boy most likely shares his ethnic group or from his region. The celebrations are also polarized along ethnic and regional lines.
There arent many countries that arenf polarized , breh. You're in one right now (assuming you're in the U.S.). Ny ciubtry (Haiti) is extremely polarized itself. As much as you hear of these violent anti-government protests in Haiti, Jovnel has his hardcore supporters too.

Hell even in France. Macron won a few years ago, yes. But you saw all the anti-government protests last month that had Paris on fire, right?

As for this ruling, it was clear this was going to happen considering all the delays. But politics in CIV has already moved past the civil war fault lines. The current president pardoned Gbagbo's wife months ago, and his party was already in the clear to run again. The current President also cannot run for another term, and theres already splinters in the ruling coalition to succeed him. Its highly unlikely that things will revert back to square one, not immediately at least
Well many fear that he's about to put some things in place so he could run again.
Its not true that Ouattara is unpopular. The whole crisis started because he was inevitably going to win the Presidency, but the constitution was rigged over and over to ensure he doesnt get a chance to hold office. Then when he finally won, Gbagbo didnt accept the result and tried to force a Government of National Unity. Theres nothing easier than for African Presidents to don the cloth of anti-imperialist when all goes wrong. The story is far more complex than that.
I never said he was unpopular. And i'm no Ivory Coast political expert either but I just feel Gbagboa is more popular among the masses and i'm basing this on conversations with Ouattara supporters i know :manny:

And you're right it is regional based but listening to music there and the people in the most popular inner cities in Abidjan, places like Yopougon, you'd swear Gbagbo was god himself sometimes
 
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There arent many countries that arenf polarized , breh. You're in one right now (assuming you're in the U.S.). Ny ciubtry (Haiti) is extremely polarized itself. As much as you hear of these violent anti-government protests in Haiti, Jovnel has his hardcore supporters too.

Hell even in France. Macron won a few years ago, yes. But you saw all the anti-government protests last month that had Paris on fire, right?

Well many fear that he's about to put some things in place so he could run again.
I never said he was unpopular. And i'm no Ivory Coast political expert either but I just feel Gbagboa is more popular among the masses and i'm basing this on conversations with Ouattara supporters i know :manny:

And you're right it is regional based but listening to music there and the people in the most popular inner cities in Abidjan, places like Yopougon, you'd swear Gbagbo was god himself sometimes

Definitely not suggest CIV is the only polarized country in the world. Only that the Gbagbo view is not universal. Both sides of the war committed atrocities and its true the ICC trial was victor's justice, but I think the view of the conflict as simply one about France vs Gbagbo is a simplification on his supporters part.

Ironically Ouattara likely is pleased Gbagbo is freed, as he wants his party to take votes from the potential opponent he/his chosen succesor will face in the next election. Its why he gave his wife amnesty: Amnesty for Ivory Coast ex-first lady No such thing as permanent enemies as far as African electoral politics goes. Reminds me of Ruto and Kenyatta.
 

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Wife of a dictator is a pretty sweet deal. They enjoy the fruits when the goings good and don't face the consequences when shyt hits the fan. Gaddafi's wife toured the Middle East in exile and now back to her native town in Libya.
They say Gbagbo’s wife may have actually been the HNIC, she had big pull and was also a politician herself. She was supposed to be charged by the ICC as well but the Current Govt said they would try her domestically. She first got convicted and got a long charge, then a re-trial and acquittal, and now finally full amnesty.
 
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