THIS Is Why Jay Is The GOAT

[AkaDemiK]

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*Came in here not expecting to hear any music

*Wasn't disappointed

 

[A.V.]

Your point is that Jay-Z is the greatest because most of his former business partners are struggling?



And you think this is a mature perspective to come from?

And did you really just ask some dumb sh1t like "How can you not respect Donald Trump?" And lazily throw him in the same category as Bill Gates just because they're both rich?

No, I clearly addressed the fact that certain grown men, BUSINESSMEN at that haven't put THEMSELVES in positions to win and keep winning. Since Dame, Jay, Jim & Cam all have or have had investments and ventures OUTSIDE of JUST making MUSIC, this isn't simply a "boo hoo, i don't like Jay-Z or what he did to his partners" type of argument.

Bill Gates, Jay, Trump, Dame... NONE of these nikkas give a fukk about ME OR YOU, first and foremost. Secondly, Just because I have an issue with certain cacs and racism doesn't mean I can't respect succcessful businessmen in a country that is built on business, capitalism, and promotes (but doesn't necessarily HELP US with) individuals becoming business owners and putting themselves in positions to make money.

For all the pro Black shyt some cats talk, I can't really hate on a man who came from the projects, only to play on a much bigger field now and have HIS family eat for an eternity. I don't know the inner workings and subtleties of ANYTHING that went on with Jay/Dames breakup, but AS A MAN, if you were held back on one front by a business partner, and brag about owning multiple businesses, I cant turn around and cite Jay as the reason why Dame is bankrupt, making an ass of himself, or not up to par in OTHER business ventures OUTSIDE OF music. That's some fukk boy shyt.

If you don't like Jay music or what "he did" to Dame/Cam, cool. You have every right. But these are also grown men who ALSO gained notariety and traction from some of Jay's moves as well. Men who proclaimed to be businessmen. Remove Jay from your musical arguments, and then address why they are where they are OUTSIDE of standings within the industry. Pro-Keds? Sizzurp? Where's that? Dash films, Cams movies, etc...? That Jay's fault too?

 

[A.V.]

Cam owns restaurants and other businesses, he's fine and I doubt he's on some tip about how his life turned out.

And I'm not saying none of these nikkas is broke. I'm just saying if they managed their money better, surrounded themselves with more business - acclimated people, and did less wasteful spending / investing... The shyt they're getting clowned for now, might not be happening. Common sense shyt.

 

[MrFettuccinnePockets]

Jay is 2nd place after Pac

 

[CrimsonTider]

Your point is that Jay-Z is the greatest because most of his former business partners are struggling?



And you think this is a mature perspective to come from?

And did you really just ask some dumb sh1t like "How can you not respect Donald Trump?" And lazily throw him in the same category as Bill Gates just because they're both rich?

He is the greatest because of his artistry

No one is close

 

[Stealth]

Your point is that Jay-Z is the greatest because most of his former business partners are struggling?



And you think this is a mature perspective to come from?

And did you really just ask some dumb sh1t like "How can you not respect Donald Trump?" And lazily throw him in the same category as Bill Gates just because they're both rich?

all i got from it is "jay z is still relevant while his past label mates aren't"

 

[mr.africa]

he's a business, man. not a businessman

you guys are fukking geniuses when it comes to gifs
shaq's face randomly appearing - shyt had me floored for five minutes!!!!
DEAD

 

[A.V.]

all i got from it is "jay z is still relevant while his past label mates aren't"

Then sadly you missed the point. Bc I'm never one to throw that relevance word or theme around. That's some young boy, new school bullshyt. Even though you wouldn't be wrong with what you supposedly" got" from what I said.

 

[A.V.]

Your point is that Jay-Z is the greatest because most of his former business partners are struggling?



And you think this is a mature perspective to come from?

And did you really just ask some dumb sh1t like "How can you not respect Donald Trump?" And lazily throw him in the same category as Bill Gates just because they're both rich?

For the record, I NEVER said "How can you not respect Bill Gates / Donald Trump?" You mislead your dap-ers.



Go back and reread.

How can you NOT respect Hov? Donald Trump, Bill Gates, (i.e. the white crackers most respect for their wealth & decision making) ain't get to where they are by NOT valuing money over most other things (except family and progress - ESSENTIAL relationships). Nah, they had to cut ties with other crackers they felt weren't a key part of the plan, or who weren't producing on a large scale to grow & expand their respective brands & pockets.

See that question mark? That means STOP BRIEFLY. END OF SENTENCE /QUESTION. The reason for the comparison between Jay & Trump is laid within the following parentheses.

For you to completely base your rebuttal and point off of the fact that YOU misread, is

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

I used to be a Jay-Z fan but he never was the greatest to me.
2pac is probably the greatest and even as a Jay-Z fan back in the day i always knew Nas was better lyrically to.
I just loved the whole Roc-A-Fella sound beatwise back than when Kanye was comming up and Dipset.
His flow wasn't that special neither to be honest.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

2pac is the goat and the only acceptable other answer is Nas.

 

[Poitier]

People still buying into the narrative of Jay Z as GOAT in 2014

 

[A.V.]

People still rebutting a non-musical argument with no support for the artist THEY feel is the GOAT of/for the genre, due to non musical reasons in 2014 is




THAT'S why any thread on here about Pac, Jay, Em, Big, etc devolves into this bullshyt. I didn't say once in the OP who Jay-Z did or didn't rap better than. Only listed my reasoning that he used this music and culture to put himself in a certain position in life and maneuver in a totally separate world (sports, business, apparel, etc) as my basis for such claim.

That said, this is pure OPINION, supported by facts. I'm still waiting on some reasoning for why A DIFFERENT artist took rapping and turned it into multiple business, social, or cultural ventures and advances...

At this point all I've seen is "you a stan", insults, and misunderstood rebuttals. No other artists named with logical reasoning. Michael Jackson > any artist of his genre, and not SOLELY because of the quality of his music. That's the point here. The lack of solid rebuttals with other artists is basically proving my point for me.

 

[A.V.]

So I guess it's unanimous

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

So I guess it's unanimous

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/poll...o-is-the-true-goat.237456/page-3#post-9501931


Jay z getting blown out