This is why the US will never win a world cup

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what happens to kids who wash out? Do the end up adjusting well back into society?
They end up going to college or doing something productive unless they are a fukk up

Sort of like most of HS students.
 

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what happens to kids who wash out? Do the end up adjusting well back into society?


There are enough Football leagues around the world that if a kid is going to a prestigious youth academy he's special enough that the odds of him being a pro are pretty high. They aren't just getting run of the mill kids, they are scouring the earth for the cream of the crop.Like @mastermind said they're still getting schooling.


I dont know. Parents were sending their kids to Nick Bollettieri for 30 years to learn how to play tennis properly and Im not convinced a lot of those kids can't read and write.

The hope would be for pro teams to establish these schools and not for an Oak Hill.

But your second point is the real issue. Everything is catered towards college in this country, especially in soccer. I think a basketball academy would actually work in the US more than a soccer one because the goal is NBA in this country versus Premier League in England in this one.

Would a youth academy really fly in the US though?

I was going to make a thread on NBA teams having Youth Teams, it makes sense because kids that are pro bound are kind of easy to spot early on, much in the same way it is in Football. Like that kid Marvin Bagley is going to be the number 1 pick a few years from now and was called the best player in HS as a freshman, he has no business playing HS ball for free, he should be being taught the game by pros now because he's going to be a pro. Breh, you're among friends, no need to sully the good name of Football by calling it Soccer, we call Eggball by it's rightful name now.
 

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We'll never be able to compete with the rest of the world in football, even if if NBA/NFL players were playing, the main reason is a difference in philosophy.

Americans tend to believe in and rely too much on the "bigger and faster >>> " philosophy when it comes to sport. Sometimes they put more stock in the measurables rather than heart and skills.

For the most part in football (soccer) skills will dominate and smaller/quicker players will run laps around your "bigger, faster" athletes.

Always remember that there is a huge difference between being quick and being fast.

Despite all the resources available in America, until America takes soccer seriously they will always be behind in it
 

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Would a youth academy really fly in the US though?

I was going to make a thread on NBA teams having Youth Teams, it makes sense because kids that are pro bound are kind of easy to spot early on, much in the same way it is in Football. Like that kid Marvin Bagley is going to be the number 1 pick a few years from now and was called the best player in HS as a freshman, he has no business playing HS ball for free, he should be being taught the game by pros now because he's going to be a pro. Breh, you're among friends, no need to sully the good name of Football by calling it Soccer, we call Eggball by it's rightful name now.
we have it already with tennis. shyt, parents send their kids to Spain to learn tennis there now since the USTA is in a struggle. These academies exist with actual residencies.

I think the NBA would be the best test case for it. My hope is MLS teams take it more serious than they have now. Let them learn football at a young age and create generations of players for their leagues. That all costs a lot of money though. Cristiano Ronaldo's transfer fees helped to pay for hundreds of children at the academy he went too. MLS dont have transfer fees like that.
 

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This is a good post, however no matter how good the US football program gets there will always be the issue of preteen children signing with pro-teams. The football structure that exists in Uruguay would most likely never exist in the US, because people would have a major problem with children becoming professionals. That will not be replicated in the US, even in the UK you got dudes like Walcott and Bale who were young as shyt playing for pro teams.

There's nothing wrong with admitting the best athletes don't play football in the US, that includes the best white athletes as well, those kids that had the desire to make it to the pros. You mention Klinsmann and he's even said as much -



He directly compares Football to Basketball and said it's a "lower class" sport, he's on record other times saying that US Football needs to look for talent in cities and groups that traditionally do not gravitate to the sport. I mean, it's pretty obvious who he's talking about when he says these things, he's been exposed to US sports and sees the athletes and envisions them getting world class training. If Klinsmann is willing to admit it why do you feel it's such a taboo? He's on record several times bringing up basketball players, that is the talent pool he apparently wants :yeshrug: So yeah, I guess you're right when you talk about identifying the talent pool, the issue is that the talent pool he wants is already playing something else.


I respectfully have to disagree with your point on child labor laws. If you're arguing that they have to be put in school, I'd just state that homeschooling is allowed. If your point is that they can't be seen as professionals, I'd argue that only the major professional leagues have age restrictions. Unless the child is enrolled in a college, there can be nothing stopping them from earning money. Semi-pro leagues are dangerous because its a high risk, low reward avenue to get to the NBA/NFL, where you pretty much need college film in order to become eligible for an unconstitutional employee draft. I'd also argue that more liberal countries have made this thing work.

Now of course the best athletes in the US don't play soccer. You're not finding the best lacrosse players in Nebraska, much like you're not finding the best hockey players in Alabama. The best talent in any area tends to gravitate toward the most profitable, most popular, best developed youth to professional sport pipeline available.

The best basketball players played AAU ball and are in NIKE camps by the age of 14. The best (American) football players play in Catholic/Prep schools or at school powerhouses and attend special camps and clinics hosted by state colleges and sports companies. He's looking for the best talent available in the pool of basketball/football players because more than likely, they've committed their bodies to the highest level of physical training afforded to a teenage American boy - which should rival/exceed the level of fitness received in overseas soccer academies.

I don't think it's taboo. I do believe we should focus our sights on minorities. Our 3 major sports are already set up as soccer academies - it's just about taking a ground up approach and sticking to the plan and not feeling as if major cable access = better quality soccer.
 

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Soccer is at best a 4th priority if not lower in America. We're not going to win against the world who makes soccer their priority.
 

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Not different than those girls like Gabby Douglas going off to be trained at gymnastic at a young age. :yeshrug:
 

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Having played at a high level in America most kids who were the cream of the crop were sent to a national academy. They would live in Florida and attend IMG a school that catered to some of the best athletes in the country. The schooling was advance and training was I believe 6 days out of the week. i believe they have it all wrong because we're working towards making the national better when we should focus on club soccer(mls) first. In my opinion if we worked on our club soccer we'd churn out better players who could than go on to the national team already established.
 
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I wouldnt trade the current success/entertainment of the NFL and college football because thats what it would take

if those players spent the time and energy growing up with soccer instead of football it would be a wrap
 

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Soccer is the number 4 or 5 sport for Americans, if it was even top 3 I'm sure the US would dominate every World Cup

US soccer players are the rejects of US athletes going up against the BEST athletes from around the world, think about it
 

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US needs a complete overhaul of the way soccer is played here. But the US has made a lot of progress so im happy
 

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while academies are important, it's more than JUST academies imo.

americans simply just don't have the passion that other nations have for football. :yeshrug:

in countries like brazil, football is their backbone. the same way basketball is here. little kids look up to the neymar's and marcelo's while in america kids look up to the lebron's and durant's. french kids are playing futsal in the streets. america is just not at that point culturally and probably will never get to that point. :francis:
 
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