This ***** Rick James was something else, G
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NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
yes he is a boss, but you can say the same thing about Rick
plus Rick never put out any bullshyt, unlike Prince.
Prince seems to get a pass because he can play all of these instruments/do it all himself, when Shuggie Otis did all of the that before Prince even started opening up for Rick.
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
Here's a great article about their rivalry. http://www.popmatters.com/pm/featur...the-forgotten-rivalry-of-prince-and-rick-jam/
I had a thread onwith excerpts from Rick's book about Prince...shyt had me
He said he and Stone City were going to kick Prince's crew ass. I need to find those and post them up.
good lookin out
Big Mel
@bigboss
Here's a great article about their rivalry. http://www.popmatters.com/pm/featur...the-forgotten-rivalry-of-prince-and-rick-jam/
I had a thread on
He said he and Stone City were going to kick Prince's crew ass. I need to find those and post them up.
Rick has a a BOOK???!!?! I should have known. What's if called?
Big Mel
@bigboss
Yeah man. That's what I mean. Prince was the man, I love his GOOD stuff..Butnwas he half a faq or what? I can't quite call it with him. Rick was all man. And was the last funkateer.
And ain't nothin wrong with being a homo. MJ was faq, Luther and Freddie etc. erick sermon prolly. Dr dre...
being in your teens and twenties during this time mustve been fire. you had rick prince mike and others puttin out fire music to have a good time too
with legandary stories/myths coming from them. cant get that shyt anymore. my parents were 
One of my favorites of all time once I dug into his discography the past year or two. Got almost all of his shyt on vinyl now. Would also take him over Prince but that of course is a controversial opinion.[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfu9IREBY-E[/ame]
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When I found out he wrote and produced this ^
It's sad not only how hard the black artist has fell off but how sad the black musician has.
Big Mel
@bigboss
"but yeah me and charlie would jump on eachother at a party...kick eachother in the chess.."
what was quote from chapelle? lololololol
what was quote from chapelle? lololololol
Big Mel
@bigboss
and...in a mansion...never lost his paper...true pimp. he aint had a hit (lol) in years and was the still the spot.
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the excerpts alone are great. Here's one about Marvin Gaye
"One day at the studio I ran into Marvin Gaye. He asked me, "Rick, have you gotten your bonus?" I said, "What bonus?" He said, "Your bonus for going platinum."
"I said I hadn't. He said whenever somebody's album goes platinum, Motown gives them a bonus. I said I hadn't gotten mine yet. He said that if it wasn't cash, then a Stutz (exotic car) or something."
I began to get pissed. I hadn't received anything and I certainly felt I deserved it.
The next day I got up early and went to Motown. I was mad. I went into Suzanne DePasse's office and screamed.
"Where's my bonus?"
She calmed down and said, "Rick, this is something you should talk to Berry Gordy about."
I tried calling Berry but he was nowhere to be found.
I didn't know it then but Marvin loved to start shyt up with the company and their artists. Motown did sometimes give bonuses for huge selling albums but it wasn't mandatory and Marvin knew this.
He was just trying to rile me up and cause trouble. He knew I had a crazy nature and he knew that I would run straight to Motown and raise hell. Marvin was always like that, a crazy motherf**ker, but I loved him to death.
I never got a bonus and Berry Gordy called and told me that I was out of line. At that time Marvin was divorcing Berry's sister, Anna, and he was recording an album that she would get all the royalties from. So I guess he felt like causing even more trouble than usual. Berry did end up throwing some extra money my way but he made sure I knew that from then on I had to talk straight to him if I had a problem.
Big Mel
@bigboss
COPPED
Here is an excerpt about Prince
In the 80's, Rick James asked Prince to open up the "Fire Up Tour." James states in his book, "The Confessions Of Rick James, Memoirs Of A Super Freak," that he had yet to meet Prince. The only thing he had heard about him was that he was shy. James had hoped this was false because if he was shy, he had no business being out on the road with him.
James said he walked through the backstage entrance, Prince was sitting on his group's drums playing some bullshyt beat. James sat down and began playing some serious stuff. He said Prince looked over at him and got his little ass up and walked away.
James adds, "Prince was just starting out and the first time I saw Prince and his band open for me, I felt sorry for him. Here's this little dude wearing high heels, standing there in a trench coat. Then at the end of the set, he'd take off his trench coat and he'd be wearing little girl's bloomers. The guys in the audience booed him to death."
The following weeks of the tour weren't very different from the opening date. Whenever I was on stage I'd see Prince on the side of the stage just staring and watching everything I did, like a kid in school.
One day I walked into the auditorium, getting ready to go on and I heard the crowd chanting loudly. I went to check it out. Here's Prince doing my chants. Not only was he stalking the stage like me, he was doing my trademark funk sign, flipping the microphone and everything. The boy had stolen my whole show. I was pissed and so was my band. This went on night after night, every show I'd see more of my routine. It got to the point I couldn't do the stuff I had always done because Prince was doing it before I came on. It started to look like I was copying him.
Everyone knew what was happening, his management, my management. The atmosphere backstage was not improved by the fact that Prince's band members were not on good terms with my band and my guys wanted to kick their asses. Prince's musicians would stick their noses in the air and not even acknowledge the Stone City Band, even if they were all standing together, waiting for the elevator. Prince's group was a bunch of egotistical a$$holes who never even played on a record. The kid did it all, they were just hired players.
One day, things blew up and management called a meeting. I told Prince's manager, that if Prince did any more of my show he was off the tour. Finally, we all met in Prince's room, Prince, me and our bands. Prince's band was afraid, very afraid. Prince sat on the bed and hardly said a word. He acted like a little bytch while his band and mine patched up our differences.
Soon after this episode. There was a birthday party for me. Prince came, he was sitting at a table with some people not drinking. I walked up to him, grabbed him by the back of the hair and poured cognac down his throat. He spit it out like a little bytch and I laughed and walked away. I loved fukking with him like that.
I always felt our competition was healthy, although I was jealous when he started getting big, more than jealous, I was pissed, because here was this little short ego'd out fukker who I had a feeling didn't like people of his own race and wanted to be white and taller. While on the road, I never saw Prince hang out with black men or black women. In fact, his demeanor was like that of a short uppity white boy.
A few years later when James was performing at the Universal Amphitheater. The second night of the show, Rod Stewart and his wife Alana came to the show. James decided to have them sit in front row seats that belonged to Prince.
From the stage, I could see Prince's attempt to throw Rod and Alana out of the seats. Alana told Prince to kiss her ass. Then, during a performance with the Mary Jane Girls, James saw Prince being carried around the venue in his bodyguard's arms just to get attention.
After the show, when Prince saw Rick and Rod backstage, he jumped over the stairs and fled. Allegedly, Rod told Rick, "I hate that little prikk." Rick was pissed and called Prince all kinds of little bytches. Rick said, "Had Prince not jumped over the stairs and ran, I swear I would have kicked his ass."
James heard later that Prince went to see Michael Jackson's concert and tried to disrupt it. When Michael allegedly found out that Prince was in the house, he came out badder than ever and Prince left the show before it was over.
Rick adds, "I always thought of Prince as a great player and a very innovative person but as far as himself as a person, he could use a good ghetto ass kicking."
In the 80's, Rick James asked Prince to open up the "Fire Up Tour." James states in his book, "The Confessions Of Rick James, Memoirs Of A Super Freak," that he had yet to meet Prince. The only thing he had heard about him was that he was shy. James had hoped this was false because if he was shy, he had no business being out on the road with him.
James said he walked through the backstage entrance, Prince was sitting on his group's drums playing some bullshyt beat. James sat down and began playing some serious stuff. He said Prince looked over at him and got his little ass up and walked away.
James adds, "Prince was just starting out and the first time I saw Prince and his band open for me, I felt sorry for him. Here's this little dude wearing high heels, standing there in a trench coat. Then at the end of the set, he'd take off his trench coat and he'd be wearing little girl's bloomers. The guys in the audience booed him to death."
The following weeks of the tour weren't very different from the opening date. Whenever I was on stage I'd see Prince on the side of the stage just staring and watching everything I did, like a kid in school.
One day I walked into the auditorium, getting ready to go on and I heard the crowd chanting loudly. I went to check it out. Here's Prince doing my chants. Not only was he stalking the stage like me, he was doing my trademark funk sign, flipping the microphone and everything. The boy had stolen my whole show. I was pissed and so was my band. This went on night after night, every show I'd see more of my routine. It got to the point I couldn't do the stuff I had always done because Prince was doing it before I came on. It started to look like I was copying him.
Everyone knew what was happening, his management, my management. The atmosphere backstage was not improved by the fact that Prince's band members were not on good terms with my band and my guys wanted to kick their asses. Prince's musicians would stick their noses in the air and not even acknowledge the Stone City Band, even if they were all standing together, waiting for the elevator. Prince's group was a bunch of egotistical a$$holes who never even played on a record. The kid did it all, they were just hired players.
One day, things blew up and management called a meeting. I told Prince's manager, that if Prince did any more of my show he was off the tour. Finally, we all met in Prince's room, Prince, me and our bands. Prince's band was afraid, very afraid. Prince sat on the bed and hardly said a word. He acted like a little bytch while his band and mine patched up our differences.
Soon after this episode. There was a birthday party for me. Prince came, he was sitting at a table with some people not drinking. I walked up to him, grabbed him by the back of the hair and poured cognac down his throat. He spit it out like a little bytch and I laughed and walked away. I loved fukking with him like that.
I always felt our competition was healthy, although I was jealous when he started getting big, more than jealous, I was pissed, because here was this little short ego'd out fukker who I had a feeling didn't like people of his own race and wanted to be white and taller. While on the road, I never saw Prince hang out with black men or black women. In fact, his demeanor was like that of a short uppity white boy.
A few years later when James was performing at the Universal Amphitheater. The second night of the show, Rod Stewart and his wife Alana came to the show. James decided to have them sit in front row seats that belonged to Prince.
From the stage, I could see Prince's attempt to throw Rod and Alana out of the seats. Alana told Prince to kiss her ass. Then, during a performance with the Mary Jane Girls, James saw Prince being carried around the venue in his bodyguard's arms just to get attention.
After the show, when Prince saw Rick and Rod backstage, he jumped over the stairs and fled. Allegedly, Rod told Rick, "I hate that little prikk." Rick was pissed and called Prince all kinds of little bytches. Rick said, "Had Prince not jumped over the stairs and ran, I swear I would have kicked his ass."
James heard later that Prince went to see Michael Jackson's concert and tried to disrupt it. When Michael allegedly found out that Prince was in the house, he came out badder than ever and Prince left the show before it was over.
Rick adds, "I always thought of Prince as a great player and a very innovative person but as far as himself as a person, he could use a good ghetto ass kicking."
Here's Teena Marie talking about the Rick vs Prince rivalry...Rick was a damn fool
[Rick] James’s charisma was matched only by his audacity and Teena [Marie] was able to see these sides of the King of Punk Funk both on-stage and off. In 1980, Prince opened for James on the Fire It Up tour. James complained that Prince stole his stage moves and according to Marie, Rick paid Prince back by stealing his gear. “Back then people weren’t really programming their own synthesizers,” says Teena. “Prince - you know – he’s a genius... he was one of the only one’s who could really do that – probably him and Stevie [Wonder] were the only one’s really doing it…[Prince] was programming all his synthesizers and setting the presets with his own sound and …at the end of the tour [Rick] took [Prince’s] synthesizers.” Teena cannot help but chuckle as she recounts the story. “He took them to Sausalito and he actually used them on the Street Songs album and then he sent them back to [Prince] with a thank you card. He was a piece of work…and a brilliant genius, too!”
Teena later found herself wedged between the two future legends when she went on the road with Prince. “We were on the Dirty Mind tour together… [Prince and I] never had a problem. We would kick it…neither one of us drank so after the concerts we’d go and sit and have our little orange juice or whatever. He had a lot of respect for me. There were some nights that I would come on stage and I would kick his butt, you know, and [afterwards] he’d walk by me and go “Whew! I have to work hard tonight’ and there were some nights that he would come by and say ‘I whooped you! I whooped you tonight!’ so it was really awesome and he’s always been really wonderful to me.”
For James, however, it was a different story. “I don’t think Rick really liked the fact that [Prince and I] were friends but you know….The rivalry to me as I look back on it - it was really Rick. It wasn’t really Prince. It was more Rick than anything. I never really saw Prince feeding into it too much. It really actually saddened me because I think the two of them would have made some amazing music together. It would have been ridiculous…but you know…it was what it was…I’m not really sure why it started. Rick always said it was because Prince snubbed his mother.” Indeed, James claimed that Prince had insulted his mother at the 1982 American Music Awards by refusing to give her an autograph. The mood should have been celebratory - Teena was nominated for Favorite Soul R&B Female Artist and Rick won Best Soul/R&B Album for Street Songs - but Rick was having none of it. Backstage, Prince’s manager at the time (the late Steve Fargnoli) hastily arranged for Prince to apologize but James ignored him. Even today, Teena views the story skeptically. “I really find that hard to believe and if it did happen, I don’t think it was intentional because Prince just isn’t that kind of guy. So it could have just been unintentional where she was around and he didn’t see her, you know what I’m saying? And Rick really knew how to take stuff and run with it…but from everything that I know [Rick] really, really did like [Prince’s] music….” Laughing, Teena adds one more caveat: “Although he would never admit to it. He would never admit to that.”
[Rick] James’s charisma was matched only by his audacity and Teena [Marie] was able to see these sides of the King of Punk Funk both on-stage and off. In 1980, Prince opened for James on the Fire It Up tour. James complained that Prince stole his stage moves and according to Marie, Rick paid Prince back by stealing his gear. “Back then people weren’t really programming their own synthesizers,” says Teena. “Prince - you know – he’s a genius... he was one of the only one’s who could really do that – probably him and Stevie [Wonder] were the only one’s really doing it…[Prince] was programming all his synthesizers and setting the presets with his own sound and …at the end of the tour [Rick] took [Prince’s] synthesizers.” Teena cannot help but chuckle as she recounts the story. “He took them to Sausalito and he actually used them on the Street Songs album and then he sent them back to [Prince] with a thank you card. He was a piece of work…and a brilliant genius, too!”
Teena later found herself wedged between the two future legends when she went on the road with Prince. “We were on the Dirty Mind tour together… [Prince and I] never had a problem. We would kick it…neither one of us drank so after the concerts we’d go and sit and have our little orange juice or whatever. He had a lot of respect for me. There were some nights that I would come on stage and I would kick his butt, you know, and [afterwards] he’d walk by me and go “Whew! I have to work hard tonight’ and there were some nights that he would come by and say ‘I whooped you! I whooped you tonight!’ so it was really awesome and he’s always been really wonderful to me.”
For James, however, it was a different story. “I don’t think Rick really liked the fact that [Prince and I] were friends but you know….The rivalry to me as I look back on it - it was really Rick. It wasn’t really Prince. It was more Rick than anything. I never really saw Prince feeding into it too much. It really actually saddened me because I think the two of them would have made some amazing music together. It would have been ridiculous…but you know…it was what it was…I’m not really sure why it started. Rick always said it was because Prince snubbed his mother.” Indeed, James claimed that Prince had insulted his mother at the 1982 American Music Awards by refusing to give her an autograph. The mood should have been celebratory - Teena was nominated for Favorite Soul R&B Female Artist and Rick won Best Soul/R&B Album for Street Songs - but Rick was having none of it. Backstage, Prince’s manager at the time (the late Steve Fargnoli) hastily arranged for Prince to apologize but James ignored him. Even today, Teena views the story skeptically. “I really find that hard to believe and if it did happen, I don’t think it was intentional because Prince just isn’t that kind of guy. So it could have just been unintentional where she was around and he didn’t see her, you know what I’m saying? And Rick really knew how to take stuff and run with it…but from everything that I know [Rick] really, really did like [Prince’s] music….” Laughing, Teena adds one more caveat: “Although he would never admit to it. He would never admit to that.”