This Trip Could Get Uglier Than A Master P Sneaker - Warriors [ADVANCE 4-1] (2) host Pelicans (6)
Bowen and Payton never anchored a defense like Draymond does. Remind me, when did either of those guys protect the rim/paint, guard big men, switch on multiple players on any given play, direct their teammates to certain areas of the floor, cover up holes on any given play etc on the regular like Draymond does?Greatest ever?
Go back & look at tapes of Bruce Bowen & the glove throwing hand grenades into opponents offensive sets my guy.
The closest player(s) in the last 10 years that are comparable are KG and Duncan, and even they didn't do the shyt that Green does on the defensive end (which is partly down to the fact that Draymond is allowed more freedom on that end than 99.9% of players that have played the game).
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You're telling me that type of gameplay above takes a greater mind to defend than the gameplay of today?
No , but it's ridiculous to compare eras like that, with all the advantages the today's guys have. It just don't work that way. Drop 1962 Oscar Robertson in today's NBA and Jeff Teague will score 30 on his ass. But if you theoretically give Oscar all those advantages new dudes have (medical, scientific, evolution of the game and training process, better coaching and analytics, many more...), then you'll see what's what. I guess we agree to disagree, but I'm comfortable saying that Bill Russell, the guy who at 70 years old had the ability to recall specific plays from his college days at San Francisco, is a greater defensive mind than Draymond Green.
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I'd also argue that prime Duncan and especially prime KG* didn't have the luxury of playing next to fantastic defensive players in their own right: Iguodala, Klay, KD (as of recently).Bowen and Payton never anchored a defense like Draymond does. Remind me, when did either of those guys protect the rim/paint, guard big men, switch on multiple players on any given play, direct their teammates to certain areas of the floor, cover up holes on any given play etc on the regular like Draymond does?
The closest player(s) in the last 10 years that are comparable are KG and Duncan, and even they didn't do the shyt that Green does on the defensive end (which is partly down to the fact that Draymond is allowed more freedom on that end than 99.9% of players that have played the game).
Duncan had Bowen, but I'd still take Draymond's supporting cast on defense. Draymond is the better defensive anchor than Duncan IMO, but prime KG*? I don't know
*I'm talking Minnesota KG here
Boogie would help in this matchup mos defnikkas claimed the Pelicans were better without Boogie.
You just basically shytted on your entire argument with this. Here you're insinuating that Draymond has these "advantages" that Bill didn't have, yet in the same breath you're stating it's absurd to suggest that Draymond is a greater defensive mind than him, despite defending against faster, stronger, smarter players, more complex schemes, better coaching etc all with more defensive roles and more gameplay-success than Bill ever had.
There was an action in last night's game where Rondo dragged his man to the elbow (ball in-hand), Clark set a screen, Rondo funneled off and threw the ball to Jrue, Mirotic set a pinch-screen to release Clark (as a distraction), and Jrue threw the ball to AD in the mid/low-post - now while this was all happening, not only did Draymond stay in the vicinity wherever the ball was, not only did he move to the spots well before the ball even got there, but he shadowed every single player in that play, and forced them to give it to a player who was in the weakest position to score, rather than to a player who was in a more benefifical position to score. He basically coaxed the Pelicans into wasting all that time on the shot clock, only to end up forcing a tough, contested shot with the SC running out. It was the equivalent to a cat playing/torturing a mouse - he knew what they were going to do before they knew what they were going to do, and forced them to take a shot that he wanted them to take.
Bill was NOT doing that type of shyt when he was playing, mostly because the state of the game never allowed him to.
This wasn't just a standard throw the ball down to the mid/low-post play that you'd see in the 50s, 60s, 70s etc, this was an elaborate ploy by the Pelicans to get an open shot with 4-5 moving pieces - Draymond blew that entire shyt up. He even had Rondo looking like a dumb-dumb out there, and he's one of the smartest players to ever grace the court.
Again, shytting on your entire argument. First of all, you can't view it in that manner, you have to take everything in history as it is - you can't equalize player states from different eras by putting them all in the same frame. See: chaos theory.
I don't think there's anything to agree to disagree on - this isn't really something that's subjective. I don't see how that point is even relevant, even if Bill could recall specific plays as they happened from his past, it speaks more about his repetition-recall that we all naturally have as humans. It has little to do with the complexity and motor-capacity of the actual play.
Bill is a legend, that's not in question, but there are players who have a greater defensive mind than him because of the evolvement of the game. Just as there will probably be greater defensive minds than Draymond if the game continues to evolve.
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This is an example that layers my point -
"He’s shot well because of what’s going on in basketball today. In basketball today, the game today, it’s almost like if you can dunk or shot a 3-point shot, you’re the greatest thing since sliced bread.
There have been some great shooters in the past. We had a kid on our team in Adrian Smith who shot. Jerry West shot the ball very well.
But here again, when I played years ago, if you shot a shot outside and hit, next time, I’m going to be up on top of you. I’m going to pressure you with three-quarters, half-court defense or three-quarters defense. But now, they don’t do that.
That’s why I said these coaches do not understand the game of basketball, as far as I’m concerned. If I’ve got a guy who’s great shooting the shot outside, hey man, don’t you want to extend your defense out a little bit?" - Oscar Robertson on Steph Curry
This is an example that layers my point -
"He’s shot well because of what’s going on in basketball today. In basketball today, the game today, it’s almost like if you can dunk or shot a 3-point shot, you’re the greatest thing since sliced bread.
There have been some great shooters in the past. We had a kid on our team in Adrian Smith who shot. Jerry West shot the ball very well.
But here again, when I played years ago, if you shot a shot outside and hit, next time, I’m going to be up on top of you. I’m going to pressure you with three-quarters, half-court defense or three-quarters defense. But now, they don’t do that.
That’s why I said these coaches do not understand the game of basketball, as far as I’m concerned. If I’ve got a guy who’s great shooting the shot outside, hey man, don’t you want to extend your defense out a little bit?" - Oscar Robertson on Steph Curry
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I mean that's just an idiotic, bitter quote by Oscar. He probably saw people putting Steph ahead of Oscar, just behind Magic on all time PG list ( then it was premature, now it's justified) and got mad. Those former superstar athletes have huge egos, and for most of them it's hard to give credit to the new stars who are in the spotlight that once belonged to them. I wouldn't read too much into it
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