This USC Bryce Dixon rape story... I dont know what rape is anymore

[#SOG_soldier]

bytches ain't shyt but hoes and tricks

 

[Originalman]

In situations like this the bytch needs to be publicly outed and shamed.

And thrown in jail.

 

[Jello Biafra]

How exactly is it an unbias process to have this chick in charge of the entire rape allegation investigation? She is always going to fall on the side of the woman making the charge.

 

[LurkMoar]

i keep my phone recorder on with these hoes, cant trust these bytches

 

[HHR]

How exactly is it an unbias process to have this chick in charge of the entire rape allegation investigation? She is always going to fall on the side of the woman making the charge.

To be fair, the portion of rape allegations that are actually false is incredible small.

 

[Jello Biafra]

To be fair, the portion of rape allegations that are actually false is incredible small.

I know but anyone involved with investigating an allegation should enter into it with an open mind. I don't see how a person in Allee's position as an established advocate for rape victims at the school can be unbiased at all in her investigation.

 

[No1]

To be fair, the portion of rape allegations that are actually false is incredible small.

I don't doubt this, but isn't this just based on one study?

 

[George's Dilemma]

To be fair, the portion of rape allegations that are actually false is incredible small.

Don't believe the hype breh. The same people who spout that low statistic for false allegations are the same folks who scream and shout that 1-2 out of every 4-5 women on campus have been sexually assaulted. The latter figure is so outragous that it's not even worth entertaining. I wouldn't be surprised if Afghani women are raped less than what these American white feminists would have you believe is happening US college campuses. That said, they can't be trusted on false allegations either, especially considering their own bias and agendas, truth be damned. To prove my point, please see the link below regarding singer Conor Oberst who was falsely accused of rape and decided to sue for slander. An organization called Right to Speak Out urged him to drop the lawsuit even if the accuser lied. Can't make this sh!t up.

Conor Oberst Asked to Drop Lawsuit Against Rape Accuser

According to Right to Speak Out, the lawsuit will hurt victims. "It is offensive to imply that filing such a lawsuit is a respectable way to procure money regardless of what he declares he intends to do with it," the group said in a statement. "Even if Ms. Faircloth was not truthful, vilifying discussion of sexual assault by filing such a lawsuit only adds to the problem of under-reporting that enables sexual assault to proliferate at alarming rates." Only 21 percent of rapes are reported, according to the nonprofit, with only 7 percent of those ending in convictions.



Also, to be fair, it's probably damn near next to impossible to get a solid figure on how many accusations are false. I do believe that one rape is too many rape, but the problem has to be tackled responsibly and rationally as opposed to using false statistics to drive a false narrative. The article below words it well on how nuanced the data on sexual assualt it.

That 'Only 2 to 8 Percent of Rape Accusations Are False' Stat Is Extremely Misleading

The independent review of Rolling Stone’s “A Rape on Campus” debacle contains an authoritative-sounding claim about the rarity of false rape accusations: [Sabrina Rubin] Erdely and her editors had hoped their investigation would sound an alarm about campus sexual assault and would challenge Virginia and other universities to do better. Instead, the magazine’s failure may have spread the idea that many women invent rape allegations. (Social scientists analyzing crime records report that the rate of false rape allegations is 2 to 8 percent.)

At the University of Virginia, “It’s going to be more difficult now to engage some people … because they have a preconceived notion that women lie about sexual assault,” said Alex Pinkleton, a UVA student and rape survivor who was one of Erdely’s sources. [emphasis added]

The linked academic study actually concludes that false rape allegations occur at a rate of 2 to 10 percent, but leave aside the typo. Readers could easily interpret the above paragraph to mean that when a woman files a complaint about sexual assault, then an assault did in fact occur over 90 percent of the time.

That interpretation is wrong. A “false” rape allegation is provably false – meaning, for example, that the accused has a bulletproof alibi or the accuser eventually recants. In many of the cases examined by the authors of the study, there was simply not enough evidence to bring charges.

A rape might have occurred, but it might not have. Such cases are not classified as false. Specifically, in their analysis of sexual-assault cases at a large university, the authors found that 5.9 percent of cases were provably false. However, 44.9 percent cases “did not proceed” – meaning there was insufficient evidence, the accuser was uncooperative, or the incident did not meet the legal standard of assault. An additional 13.9 percent of cases could not be categorized due to lack of information.

That leaves 35.3 percent of cases that led to formal charges or discipline against the accused. So there is obviously a lot of uncertainty here, a lot of he-said/she-said when allegations are filed. It would be a mistake to conclude, on the basis of the existing evidence, that nine out of ten assault claims are genuine.

I have a strong aversion to misleading statistics, especially when they are used as arguments from authority to shut down debate. (See my piece from last week, “The Amnesty Numbers Game.”) What percentage of sexual-assault claims involve actual criminal incidents? I have no idea, and I doubt that anyone really does. When it comes to hot-button political and cultural issues, we need to do a better job of admitting what we don’t know.
Read more at: That 'Only 2 to 8 Percent of Rape Accusations Are False' Stat Is Extremely Misleading

 

[HHR]

I don't doubt this, but isn't this just based on one study?

I mean, there's no way to find an exact number, just because proving what amounts to a false accusation is often impossible. And the number of real yet unreported rapes is equally undefinable. That said, I think the accepted number now it between 2-10%....which is a huge window, but still shockingly small.

Maybe this particular woman isn't impartial enough, but I think anyone in her position has to go in leaning towards believing the 'victim'. And given the difficulty in many of these cases, you also need someone passionate about finding the truth and standing up for victims.

Rape investigations, and her job in general, are impossible to always get right. And any mistake, in either direction, is going to leave one party devastated.

That said, in cases like this, where it appears a false accusation has indeed been made and acted upon, HARSH punishment needs to be doled out to the accuser. Not only did she ruin Dixon's life and reputation, but she's hurt the case of victims of actual rape.

 

[HHR]

Don't believe the hype breh. The same people who spout that low statistic for false allegations are the same folks who scream and shout that 1-2 out of every 4-5 women on campus have been sexually assaulted. The latter figure is so outragous that it's not even worth entertaining. I wouldn't be surprised if Afghani women are raped less than what these American white feminists would have you believe is happening US college campuses. That said, they can't be trusted on false allegations either, especially considering their own bias and agendas, truth be damned. To prove my point, please see the link below regarding singer Conor Oberst who was falsely accused of rape and decided to sue for slander. An organization called Right to Speak Out urged him to drop the lawsuit even if the accuser lied. Can't make this sh!t up.

Conor Oberst Asked to Drop Lawsuit Against Rape Accuser

According to Right to Speak Out, the lawsuit will hurt victims. "It is offensive to imply that filing such a lawsuit is a respectable way to procure money regardless of what he declares he intends to do with it," the group said in a statement. "Even if Ms. Faircloth was not truthful, vilifying discussion of sexual assault by filing such a lawsuit only adds to the problem of under-reporting that enables sexual assault to proliferate at alarming rates." Only 21 percent of rapes are reported, according to the nonprofit, with only 7 percent of those ending in convictions.

I don't agree that they should try to prevent punishing false accusers, but they're not wrong about the impact cases like that have on real rape cases.

 

[No1]

I mean, there's no way to find an exact number, just because proving what amounts to a false accusation is often impossible. And the number of real yet unreported rapes is equally undefinable. That said, I think the accepted number now it between 2-10%....which is a huge window, but still shockingly small.

Maybe this particular woman isn't impartial enough, but I think anyone in her position has to go in leaning towards believing the 'victim'. And given the difficulty in many of these cases, you also need someone passionate about finding the truth and standing up for victims.

Rape investigations, and her job in general, are impossible to always get right. And any mistake, in either direction, is going to leave one party devastated.

That said, in cases like this, where it appears a false accusation has indeed been made and acted upon, HARSH punishment needs to be doled out to the accuser. Not only did she ruin Dixon's life and reputation, but she's hurt the case of victims of actual rape.

No, I know those numbers. I was just questioning what the source is because everyone always points me to one study, and I remember it being a limited sample size or something. As for her job, yes it is difficult to get right, but it is not impossible. People say that someone is innocent until proven guilty, but you should always believe the alleged victim because it is unlikely that they are lying. But those two things are mutually exclusive. That is why you have to treat these things like any other criminal proceeding, the reason people lean to towards believing the accuser (or are trying to change the standard to that) is because of how difficult these cases are to prove. But in doing that, I think they have basically set up an overly broad system that allows exactly what occurred here. People talk about the devastating effects of rape, which are obviously horrible. But murder and other crimes always have devastating effects. We still proceed with innocent until proven guilty because we know the damage a false conviction can cause. The same thing needs to be done in these rape cases. The laws and tribunals being designed are basically like USC's with no process. It is the same thing Harvard Law professors were protesting at Harvard. People have been so overly swayed by how underreported sexual assaults are that they are creating systems designed to find a conviction, not based on what a reasonable person in the circumstances would believe when considering the evidence, but solely based on what the accuser believes at the time of the accusation. It is ridiculous.

It leads to cases like these that ultimately do more harm than good (like the UVA case, etc.)

 

[HHR]

No, I know those numbers. I was just questioning what the source is because everyone always points me to one study, and I remember it being a limited sample size or something. As for her job, yes it is difficult to get right, but it is not impossible. People say that someone is innocent until proven guilty, but you should always believe the alleged victim because it is unlikely that they are lying. But those two things are mutually exclusive. That is why you have to treat these things like any other criminal proceeding, the reason people lean to towards believing the accuser (or are trying to change the standard to that) is because of how difficult these cases are to prove. But in doing that, I think they have basically set up an overly broad system that allows exactly what occurred here. People talk about the devastating effects of rape, which are obviously horrible. But murder and other crimes always have devastating effects. We still proceed with innocent until proven guilty because we know the damage a false conviction can cause. The same thing needs to be done in these rape cases. The laws and tribunals being designed are basically like USC's with no process. It is the same thing Harvard Law professors were protesting at Harvard. People have been so overly swayed by how underreported sexual assaults are that they are creating systems designed to find a conviction, not based on what a reasonable person in the circumstances would believe when considering the evidence, but solely based on what the accuser believes at the time of the accusation. It is ridiculous.

It leads to cases like these that ultimately do more harm than good (like the UVA case, etc.)

I would argue that it actually is impossible. The evidence left behind from a night of consensual sex is often indistinguishable from that which follows rape. That makes it impossible, as everything becomes he said/she said. And in cases like that, beginning with an assumption of either guilt OR innocence is problematic.

I agree though, that the system in place is far from perfect. I wouldn't go as far as calling it ridiculous though. Every little bit they pull back from "seeking a conviction", another portion of actual rapes will go unpunished. And I don't really know which option is worse.

It's an ugly situation born out of an unspeakably ugly act. And a situation that too often will be used by ugly people to cover their own embarrassment....or whatever they feel.

I hate everything about cases like this. It makes me uncomfortable and then incredibly depressed when I think about how unpreventable it all is.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

To be fair, the portion of rape allegations that are actually false is incredible small.

The majority of men exonerated from rape charges via DNA testing are by and large black men accused of raping white women


Look up the Freedom Project

 

[HHR]

The majority of men exonerated from rape charges via DNA testing are by and large black men accused of raping white women


Look up the Freedom Project

I don't believe I suggested anything to the contrary. Like I said...it's all fukking ugly.

 

[No1]

I would argue that it actually is impossible. The evidence left behind from a night of consensual sex is often indistinguishable from that which follows rape. That makes it impossible, as everything becomes he said/she said. And in cases like that, beginning with an assumption of either guilt OR innocence is problematic.

I agree though, that the system in place is far from perfect. I wouldn't go as far as calling it ridiculous though. Every little bit they pull back from "seeking a conviction", another portion of actual rapes will go unpunished. And I don't really know which option is worse.

It's an ugly situation born out of an unspeakably ugly act. And a situation that too often will be used by ugly people to cover their own embarrassment....or whatever they feel.

I hate everything about cases like this. It makes me uncomfortable and then incredibly depressed when I think about how unpreventable it all is.

I meant getting the process right is not impossible. Cathy Young's article in Slate is basically how I feel about this. It should not be hard to find. I think it was called "Crying Rape." It is impossible to get the correct result all the time to any degree of certainty. But it is possible to create a process where every woman gets a proper investigation and the appropriate seriousness is given to the accusation while also still presuming innocence. The problem with rape cases before was not that the process itself--if executed correctly--is flawed, but that the process was never carried out. Cops often did not take the cases seriously. And the 2-10% number is only of cases that are "provably false" and does not take into account situations where cases are just dropped for lack of evidence or because they cannot meet the proper legal standard. These paragraphs from Young's response are basically how I feel about it.

So why is it necessary for us to have a clearer picture of the scope of false allegations, if most allegations are not intentionally false? We are not, as some anti-feminist blogs assert, in the midst of a massive “epidemic” of rape hoaxes. But wrongful accusations—either deliberately made up or based on gray-area cases that may hinge on mixed signals, alcohol-addled memories, or misunderstandings of what constitutes sexual assault—are not the almost nonexistent anomaly advocates for victims often claim. They can be cries for attention and sympathy, or attempts to cover up embarrassing sexual encounters (such as the 2009 Hofstra University case in which a female student’s claim of gang rape in a men’s room fell apart after a cellphone video taken by one of the accused men showed consensual group sex), or vendettas against former partners.

At whatever rate such cases occur, they should not be dismissed as statistical blips: These lies can have tragic results. Two years ago former California high school football star Brian Banks, who had spent five years in prison for raping his classmate Wanetta Gibson, was exonerated after Gibson contacted him to apologize and admitted making up the attack. In 2009, New Yorker William McCaffrey was released after serving four years of a 20-year prison sentence for a rape his friend Biurny Peguero had made up to explain her injuries from a fight with several women. In 2012 a Michigan man, James Grissom, was freed after nearly 10 years in prison when the woman who accused him, Sara Ylen, was caught making another false allegation (and faking cancer to bilk money from insurance companies and sympathetic donors). Even without a wrongful conviction, the consequences of a false accusation can be devastating—from a terrifying middle-of-the-night arrest tolengthy pretrial detention.

Cultural unease about the issue of false accusations is understandable, given how the “crying rape” trope has been historically linked with misogynist stereotypes of women as devious, crazy, or both. The old assumptions about women’s propensity to lie about rape led to sexist laws that required women to be bruised, bloodied, and chaste to prove that they were attacked. Even now, this topic attracts woman-haters, such as the “men’s rights activist” who misidentified an Ohio University student as the accuser in the caught-on-video case last fall and suggested that even if he had the wrong woman, it was appropriate payback for calumnies against innocent males.

But “believe the victim” dogma, and the resistance to seeing false accusations as a real problem, can also create a dangerous environment. It is a climate in which a law mandating an impossibly vague “affirmative consent” standard in campus sexual assault cases can be defended on the grounds that false complaints are a nonissue. It is a climate in which an exoneration is often presumed to be a miscarriage of justice, like when, earlier this year, activists at Dartmouth were dismayed at a student’s acquittal even though his story of clumsy drunken sex was backed by substantial evidence.

But yeah, it's something that bothers me as a progressive dude...I'm constantly checking if some sort of male bias is clouding my mind and I'm not giving this the mos objective analysis.