This was one of the worst RAW segments in YEARS

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they must have edited the hell out of this, cuz it didn't seem that bad. :mjlol: should I seek out the full version? :lupe:
 

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No he hasn't. He's easily been the most stagnant guy in the whole company next to Sheamus.
That's str8 up bull $hit. Sheamus sucks..he can't work..he never could. Fans have turned on so many of his segments and matches, I've lost count. While Cesaro has gotten dead crowds into his match routines over and over again. Held down and stagnant aren't the same thing. Seth, Owens, and Jericho can't touch Cesaro in the ring. Nor can Rusev or Reigns.
 

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I don't know about that, they only bad match Jericho had this year was against Ambrose and still managed to take a thumb tack bump :manny:


Nah..the AJ matches were criticized too. Jericho is just now getting praised for ring work over the last few months. Nyggas around here been giving Reigns more props in the ring than Jericho this year sadly. Everyone has been marking out for his comedy promos with Owens though. One of the only praised things on Raw these days.
 

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Best character? Nah..he ain't above AJ Styles week to week but he's been a shining part of a usually terrible Raw. If you're great, you're carrying the show but Raw terrible reviews every week and he's not getting good the buzz the Bryan/Miz thing got or anything like that. He does great for his time alotted, his age got nothing to do with it. He's a stand out and the fans are back into his comedy stuff but best performer? Nah..that's wild. The Sasha matches have definitely been more of a talking point at this and any forum period than the Jericho matches.

AJ and Cesaro aren't being outworked and AJ has been cracking on the mic and in the ring above everyone else. Rusev too really.

AJ is the best wrestler alive but his character and mic work ain't on par with Jericho's. Jericho has gotten over the word "it" and has gotten over some stupid checklist. He literally moves onto some new random ass word or phrase every week that immediately gets over with the crowd. He's consistently more entertaining as a character than anyone else on the show. Combine that with solid matches and he's easily tops.

The women's matches have all be botch-filled trash. People are trying really hard to hype them up to push this agenda that the women are equal to the men. Them shyts are on par with backyard wrestling for the most part. No psychology and just a bunch of "look we can do this too" high-risk shyt that these dames have no business attempting.

Cesaro isn't even in this discussion. How does he even get listed next to AJ or Jericho? :mjlol: He's obviously great in the ring but he's got absolutely nothing going on for him character-wise.
 

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That's str8 up bull $hit. Sheamus sucks..he can't work.

Wrong. So wrong.

The last somewhat memorable thing Cesaro did was that shoot promo from the draft. Character wise, he's been going with this James Bond gimmick which still hasn't really been explained. The Best of 7 Series should have helped at least one of them but typical asinine WWE booking dropped the ball on BOTH of them.
 
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Sasha needs to be repackaged, she's supposed to be this sassy boss bytch who models herself after nicki minaj but her voice sounds like some nerdy white girl so is it oochie wally or one mic? I'm just not bonvinced by her bharacter anymore. Wigger Cena was more believable
 

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Being a face has nothing to do with it, despite what that piece of trash in this thread thinks. Scripted promos ran by Levesque and Stephanie, Kliq 101, is why you don't wild heart promos like what Bryan was giving.
Bold is the truth. Wont say who is the one really handing out these trashy promos but majority of the faces in WWE are by far some of the worst characters and promo givers because of this.
 

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AJ is the best wrestler alive but his character and mic work ain't on par with Jericho's. Jericho has gotten over the word "it" and has gotten over some stupid checklist. He literally moves onto some new random ass word or phrase every week that immediately gets over with the crowd. He's consistently more entertaining as a character than anyone else on the show. Combine that with solid matches and he's easily tops.

The women's matches have all be botch-filled trash. People are trying really hard to hype them up to push this agenda that the women are equal to the men. Them shyts are on par with backyard wrestling for the most part. No psychology and just a bunch of "look we can do this too" high-risk shyt that these dames have no business attempting.

Cesaro isn't even in this discussion. How does he even get listed next to AJ or Jericho? :mjlol: He's obviously great in the ring but he's got absolutely nothing going on for him character-wise.

Yeah as a mic worker, he's been a saving grace of Raw but he's not having 4 star matches weekly by any stretch of the imagination. I mean these cats are JUST NOW GIVING Miz credit after all this time....shyt is hilarious. Goalposts being moved by the week.

The women's match stole the show at WM 32 and the Sasha/Charlotte title change Raw matches have definitely been more talked about and praised than any Jericho match in 2016. Not even close really. People are trying hard? Well those people aren't talking about Jericho matches at all. Miz and Ziggler had more praised matches than Jericho.

Cesaro is not in the discussion? Jericho is out working Cesaro suddenly? Lol.
 

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Wrong. So wrong.

The last somewhat memorable thing Cesaro did was that shoot promo from the draft. Character wise, he's been going with this James Bond gimmick which still hasn't really been explained. The Best of 7 Series should have helped at least one of them but typical asinine WWE booking dropped the ball on BOTH of them.

Oh..so this is about promo work? Yeah..Jericho tops that but Cesaro blows him away in the ring in 2016 and Sheamus is a joke who gets Boring chants over and over again. He's nothing. Not a difference maker...never was. His stuff with Reigns last year was a nightmare.
 

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Oh..so this is about promo work? Yeah..Jericho tops that nut Cesaro blows away in the ring in 2016 and Sheamus is a joke who gets Boring chants over and over again. He's nothing. Not a difference maker...never was. His stuff with Reigns last year was a nightmare.

How long ago did that happen? :heh: He hasn't gotten any of those chants recently.

Sasha needs to be repackaged, she's supposed to be this sassy boss bytch who models herself after nicki minaj but her voice sounds like some nerdy white girl so is it oochie wally or one mic? I'm just not bonvinced by her bharacter anymore. Wigger Cena was more believable

:mjlol: No he wasn't.


I really don't see the Nicki Minaj comparisons either.
 

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Yeah as a mic worker, he's been a saving grace of Raw but he's not having 4 star matches weekly by any stretch of the imagination. I mean these cats are JUST NOW GIVING Miz credit after all this time....shyt is hilarious. Goalposts being moved by the week.

The women's match stole the show at WM 32 and the Sasha/Charlotte title change Raw matches have definitely been more talked about and praised than any Jericho match in 2016. Not even close really. People are trying hard? Well those people aren't talking about Jericho matches at all. Miz and Ziggler had more praised matches than Jericho.

Cesaro is not in the discussion? Jericho is out working Cesaro suddenly? Lol.

Nobody is putting together 5-star promos and matches on a weekly basis. There is no total package right now. But Jericho's character and promos are so entertaining right now he's the closest to it.

The women's match didn't steal shyt. The only people hyping them shyts up are internet forums where try-hards are making them into bigger deals than they are. If all of what you're saying is true, there shouldn't have been such dead silence during the contract signing last night. Foley was the only one in the ring getting a reaction. Meanwhile, Jericho got people chanting for him to get a damn clipboard back. The women are only over in the really smarky towns. Other than that nobody cares. They aren't real stars and you can't build a show around them. That episode of RAW where Sasha beat Charlotte had a bigger than usual ratings drop in the 3rd hour and ratings were down across the board against week. So nobody tuned into see that main event, and nobody tuned into see the aftermath. People don't care about the womens wrestlin, period.

Cesaro is in the discussion for best worker. He's not in discussion for best all-around performer. Not even close.
 
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