This whole Kobe only really has 2 rings narrative has to stop.

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most insecure stanbase ever. even patriots and steelers fans don't move the goal posts like they do. not sure that even mj stans do as much.

MJ stans don't really need to. the epic playoff and Finals games, the perfect Finals record, the game-winners over Ehlo and Bryon Russell, the dunks over everyone are etched in everyone's minds.

plus MJ had the benefit of playing in the pre-social media era where bad games and failures aren't magnified, scrutinized and ridiculed. imagine all the memes and photoshops that wouldve been created for MJ back when he was gettin his ass kicked by the celtics and pistons...or the skip bayless comments when he played like complete shyt in the first 2 games of the 93 conference Finals, or all the "Soo we gon just act like MJ Didn't Choke?" threads that wouldve been made when he got stripped by nick anderson in '95
 

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MJ stans don't really need to. the epic playoff and Finals games, the perfect Finals record, the game-winners over Ehlo and Bryon Russell, the dunks over everyone are etched in everyone's minds.

plus MJ had the benefit of playing in the pre-social media era where bad games and failures aren't magnified, scrutinized and ridiculed. imagine all the memes and photoshops that wouldve been created for MJ back when he was gettin his ass kicked by the celtics and pistons...or the skip bayless comments when he played like complete shyt in the first 2 games of the 93 conference Finals, or all the "Soo we gon just act like MJ Didn't Choke?" threads that wouldve been made when he got stripped by nick anderson in '95
That's the biggest thing that works in his favor. The media whitewashing his failures. 1995 and 1993 really come to mind. My dad and uncles are Knicks fans, so they were all amped up going into game 3 in 1993. That Charles smith game in game 5 still gives them Vietnam veteran type flashbacks.
 

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A lot of people just wasn't watching back then. To even compare Kobe's position to pippen is disgusting, Kobe was Kobe and Shaq was Shaq. They each provided the other with something critical for success. Like I said, nikkaz won't get over this irrational Kobe hate until he's long gone.
 

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fukk trying to make rings the end all be all. Lebron is already passed Kobe as an individual player. Kobe has never been as good ad Lebron has been the last several seasons. It's that simple.
based off last years finals, I cant agree. Kobe would not have been slowed down by Boris Diaw on the brightest stage. LeBron is a better passer and rebounder (due to position), but thats it. Kobe in his prime is clearly a better scorer, better on-ball defender, more clutch. I just think he's better. Kobe played a younger version of the Spurs in 05, and played better than Bron and beat them in a much more convincing manner. thats all I needed to see. Kobe's one of the few players that have gave Poppovich huge problems, all he had to do was stick Boris Diaw on Bron
 

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based off last years finals, I cant agree. Kobe would not have been slowed down by Boris Diaw on the brightest stage. LeBron is a better passer and rebounder (due to position), but thats is. Kobe in his prime is clearly a better scorer, better on-ball defender, more clutch. I just think he's better
the guy who on the career shoots 27% in crunch time is more clutch? the guy with a lower scoring average and shoots much less efficient and who has played james harden type defense since about midway through the 2008-2009 season? the spurs game plan was give james long midrange jumpers off the dribble because long 2 point shots are awful shots to take off the dribble. very little chance of an offensive rebound, no chance of getting a shooting foul, and it's only worth 2 points as opposed to 3. theres a reason he doesn't take that shot terribly often.
 

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based off last years finals, I cant agree. Kobe would not have been slowed down by Boris Diaw on the brightest stage.
:what:
Lebron '13 finals- 25ppg-11rebs-7assists-2.3stls 45%fg
Kobe career finals avg- 25ppg-5rebs-5assists-1.75stls 41%fg

A "slowed down" Lebron performed better than Kobe did on avg in the finals.

LeBron is a better passer and rebounder (due to position), but thats it. Kobe in his prime is clearly a better scorer, better on-ball defender, more clutch. I just think he's better.
:heh: at Lebron only being a better passer and rebounder due to his position. Lebron is clearly the better scorer. I understand that Kobe fans like to convince themselves that he's a better scorer but facts outweigh emotion. Lebron averages more points much more efficiently. Kobe has never shot over 48% for 1 whole season. Lebron shot like 56% this past season and is at 50% for his career.

I guess saying that Kobe is a better "on ball defender"(which is arguable. I don't see Kobe locking down a Derrick Rose. AI gave him that work in the finals) is your way of skirting around the fact that Lebron is clearly the better overall defender.

Kobe's clutchness is overrated while Lebron is underrated in that aspect. The facts say that Kobe isn't as clutch as the hype.

Kobe played a younger version of the Spurs in 05, and played better than Bron and beat them in a much more convincing manner. thats all I needed to see. Kobe's one of the few players that have gave Poppovich huge problems, all he had to do was stick Boris Diaw on Bron
This is just a silly argument not even worth retorting. So Kobe's better because he had better stats in a series against the Spurs years ago? All Pop had to do is put Diaw on Lebron but they lost last year's series? Come on buddy.
 

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the guy who on the career shoots 27% in crunch time is more clutch? the guy with a lower scoring average and shoots much less efficient and who has played james harden type defense since about midway through the 2008-2009 season? the spurs game plan was give james long midrange jumpers off the dribble because long 2 point shots are awful shots to take off the dribble. very little chance of an offensive rebound, no chance of getting a shooting foul, and it's only worth 2 points as opposed to 3. theres a reason he doesn't take that shot terribly often.
yes that guy is better than Beron
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Lebron '13 finals- 25ppg-11rebs-7assists-2.3stls 45%fg
Kobe career finals avg- 25ppg-5rebs-5assists-1.75stls 41%fg

A "slowed down" Lebron performed better than Kobe did on avg in the finals.

:heh: at Lebron only being a better passer and rebounder due to his position. Lebron is clearly the better scorer. I understand that Kobe fans like to convince themselves that he's a better scorer but facts outweigh emotion. Lebron averages more points much more efficiently. Kobe has never shot over 48% for 1 whole season. Lebron shot like 56% this past season and is at 50% for his career.

I guess saying that Kobe is a better "on ball defender"(which is arguable. I don't see Kobe locking down a Derrick Rose. AI gave him that work in the finals) is your way of skirting around the fact that Lebron is clearly the better overall defender.

Kobe's clutchness is overrated while Lebron is underrated in that aspect. The facts say that Kobe isn't as clutch as the hype.

This is just a silly argument not even worth retorting. So Kobe's better because he had better stats in a series against the Spurs years ago? All Pop had to do is put Diaw on Lebron but they lost last year's series? Come on buddy.
efficiency doesnt have anything to do with being a better scorer. Iverson was widely regarded as the best scorer in basketball at one point, and he struggled to shoot 40% so just stop with that argument. Kobe is a better scorer period. he can literally score anywhere on the court with consistency. If a team needed 1 player to score 40 consistently, it would be Kobe not LeBron.

LeBron wasnt that impressive last finals, just stat-padded. even Bron fans stated this:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lebron-in-2011-mode-i-hate-this-passive-play.120004/
from @Malta Terrible game from him, triple double yeah but he was completely non-existent when the game was on the line and when his team was struggling to score he kept passing.

As far as defense, LeBron is a better weakside defender, thats it. On-ball defense is much more impactful than weak-side blocks
 

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yes that guy is better than Beron

efficiency doesnt have anything to do with being a better scorer. Iverson was widely regarded as the best scorer in basketball at one point, and he struggled to shoot 40% so just stop with that argument. Kobe is a better scorer period. he can literally score anywhere on the court with consistency. If a team needed 1 player to score 40 consistently, it would be Kobe not LeBron.

LeBron wasnt that impressive last finals, just stat-padded. even Bron fans stated this:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lebron-in-2011-mode-i-hate-this-passive-play.120004/
from @Malta Terrible game from him, triple double yeah but he was completely non-existent when the game was on the line and when his team was struggling to score he kept passing.

As far as defense, LeBron is a better weakside defender, thats it. On-ball defense is much more impactful than weak-side blocks



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