Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

Is Thomas Sowell right about Welfare?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 32.4%
  • No

    Votes: 12 35.3%
  • Partially right

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • Total voters
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lol that's not good that's embarrassing.
I understood the world was more complicated than that when I was 16, he espousing a child's view on socialism.


This doesn't have anything to do with arguing Sowell's ideas.

Lol nikka don't take stats on teens that have committed a few crimes, the goal is to be at the point where the amount of kids that commit crimes is way smaller.

And not to mention that that article doesn't have references and states that it goes by "self-reported crimes" of the study. Weren't you the same dude harping about empirical data? Bad statistics are bad statistics whether or not you think they support your argument.

Sowell: welfare destroys black families and culture. Cut it.

Reality: Black people do less and get jailed more. Jail as much racism as culture.

Cutting welfare still have racism. Still have people disproportionately jailed and unable to receive living wages only now no welfare.

That's the nexus between Sowell's arguments and the article I posted.

I won't address comments on studies methods. unless you're asserting blacks don't get disproportionately locked up for similar deeds or poverty induced shyt like failing to pay tickets and driving on suspended licenses, then your observation is irrelevant.
 

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Sowell: welfare destroys black families and culture. Cut it.

Reality: Black people do less and get jailed more. Jail as much racism as culture.
You realize both can be true right?


I'd also rephrase it as:
Sowell: Welfare weakens the nuclear family
Reality: The system oppresses blacks regardless
 

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You realize both can be true right?


I'd also rephrase it as:
Sowell: Welfare weakens the nuclear family
Reality: The system oppresses blacks regardless

I realize that, but I'm not for cutting anything until they have a better handle on the "system". We never get there if the focus is on welfare
 

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That's you problem you haven't seen shyt or experienced shyt, but want to speak on the black experience and black problems.

"Sorry ass circle of black people" :mjlol:

like I said I got friends sitting in Harris County waiting on a murder trial that I speak to 3 times a week, I got friends I speak to weekly that are their class speakers at Harvard, and have major Wall Street jobs with bullet wounds in their legs from bullshyt that happened when we were young.

I got big bros that are pimps and big time dope dealers, I got big brothers that are Engineers and doctors. I know strippers and hoes that spend more money on weed and lean than their children, I know educated and upstanding black women that are great mothers and do anything to make sure their children succeed (some of them are strippers and hoes)
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:duck: The fukk out of here.
 

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:duck: The fukk out of here.
lololol you nikkas are such peons
thing that aren't even uncommon are unbelievable to ya'll because you live wack lives

I've already post a video of my nikka speaking at his class commencement at Harvard on here

I need to let this lasik heal instead of arguing with peons on here
 

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lololol you nikkas are such peons
thing that aren't even uncommon are unbelievable to ya'll because you live wack lives

I've already post a video of my nikka speaking at his class commencement at Harvard on here

I need to let this lasik heal instead of arguing with peons on here
I agree with bold see that happen often even with me on here. Dudes mad as fukk so they want you to be lying.
 

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lololol you nikkas are such peons
thing that aren't even uncommon are unbelievable to ya'll because you live wack lives

I've already post a video of my nikka speaking at his class commencement at Harvard on here

I need to let this lasik heal instead of arguing with peons on here

Yea, there are Wall Street dudes who came from the bottom, but most of them left all that nonsense behind (you have to). Knowing a decent amount of these cats, your post was an immediate red flag.

Dude acting like he has a leg in every social circle on some, "I be in the streets and in the boardroom nikka."

Naw, doesn't work like that. As my boy said:



But I'm not going to argue about this, you sound like a real man about town. :skip:
 

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The thing is so much complex than what some economist suggest. One of the biggest issue that isn't ever covered is how difficult it is for black businesses to get external small business funding. Only 5-8% of venture capitalists and angel investors fund black businesses. The numbers are worse for other forms of lending. How are you suppose florish as a person or a community and solve inequality when you shut off all forms of credit and external liquidity? There is a reason why minorities and poor people turn to unconventional forms of borrowing instead of using private and public institutes of financing THAT should be available to them.


Welfare my ass.....lets get to root of the problem, classism and racism that make it okay to shut off business owners and startup companies.
 

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Hard times are a reality and, instead of ignoring people who need help, welfare addresses a problem

You can't be a nation spending money on war and giving out aid by the trillions to allies but be incapable of helping the people who need it



Welfare is being used as a scapegoat for the real culprit: supremacy and deliberate sabotage to ruin the black "community"
They just spent a few billions playing to a stalemate with those guys over in the middle east, while they can't fund early education.
 

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what are you saying?
The idea of economic growth is a farce. But if you believe in the theory, you would love the opportunity to have a poor and destitute nation that is willing to work for nothing.
 

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Well Duh. There is a project down the street from my mom's house. There are generations of project dwellers being bred. The females believe that the normal trajectory includes a baby by 15 and their very own project apartment. The males believe that jail is part of the normal developmental process.
 

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This was a good topic to read through :ehh:

And the thing is a lot of the people on both sides of this argument are right. :ehh:

Anyone that has delved into the issues pertaining to poverty in the black community can tell you that it's a culmination of multiple things that gets us to this point. Structural racism, dependency on welfare, etc. Now what you think is the biggest issue is up to interpretation, but all viewpoints are generally right. The question is where to start :yeshrug:

I'm one of those who believe that before any real change comes about, the effects of structural racism have to disappear, otherwise anything else you accomplish can practically mean zilch at the end of the day. This isn't our responsibility and there isn't much we can do about this, I'd like to say in 2015 that we have come farther than ever before, but then I look at the comment section of a police killing an unarmed black man and just :francis:

No matter what anyone tells you, dependency on welfare is a big problem in our community, but if our BEST (college graduates) can't even excel with everything else being equal than we have bigger issues than that.

I'm an ECON major too. :lolbron: Going to start working Grad School for my Masters and PhD in the field next fall.
 

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Yea, there are Wall Street dudes who came from the bottom, but most of them left all that nonsense behind (you have to). Knowing a decent amount of these cats, your post was an immediate red flag.

Dude acting like he has a leg in every social circle on some, "I be in the streets and in the boardroom nikka."

Naw, doesn't work like that. As my boy said:



But I'm not going to argue about this, you sound like a real man about town. :skip:


nikka I never worked on wall street, I said one of my close friends did, that friend also went to Harvard and now is a writer for an ABC show. I speak to him atleast twice a week through text conversation, we interact on twitter almost daily.

I never killed anybody, I have a close friend that is sitting in Harris County Jail downtown waiting for his murder trial, I put money on his book and speak to him at least twice a week. My signature on this sight is a quote from him. And his baby momma is a stripper, so I have to keep contact with her when it comes to paying for his lawyer.

This picture that went viral
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One of the dudes in it is my big cousin, same last name blood relative, known the nikka since his family moved from Chicago when I was 3 or 4 years old, speak to him often

I'm not gonna speak on the nikkas I know doing their street shyt, but if you live in Houston and are from the hood you know it's not hard to find a pimp. I've already said this on here if you see a young nikka stunting in Houston chances are it's from pimping or fraud before dope.

Nothing I said is even worthy of calling ducktales, you just don't find it believable because you can't imagine knowing nikkas from that many different walks of life.

EDIT :snoop: that twitter account you posted is a fukking joke, especially if you think all dudes on wall street have that mentality because they work in the same place.

This is my last post on the subject, I don't even speak on a lot of my life experiences on here because I know a lot of the peons on here are gonna call ducktales; just reminds me that most nikkas have boring, static lives, especially the nikkas on here.
 
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