Prince.Skeletor
Don’t Be Like He-Man
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He changed Dorian Yates
He changed Dorian Yates
Thoughts On Mike Mentzer’s Philosophy??
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xXMASHERXx
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Before I watched the video, what are your thoughts on it? Why did you watch it in the first place?
Prince.Skeletor
Don’t Be Like He-Man
He trained Dorian Yates
Yates was on a podcast also saying he only spent 45 minutes in the gym, but in that 45 mins he murdered it, up to total failure, often only 3x a week at the gym.
I wouldn’t mind more results with less time at the gym.
At this point the gym is a second home to me
xXMASHERXx
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How many days are you in the gym? How long are you spending in it? What type of program are you running? How many reps are you completing in an average session? Not trying to pick on you but I don't know how to say this any other way. Do you think Yates got to where he was only training for 45 minutes a day
Son Goku
Great Sage Equalling Heaven
You on sterons like Yates too?
Unless you're on the same level of "stack" as Yates (you're prolly not) and have the same elite BBer genetics (you definitely don't), what/how so and so trained in the gym is kinda irrelevant.
How many days are you in the gym? How long are you spending in it? What type of program are you running? How many reps are you completing in an average session? Not trying to pick on you but I don't know how to say this any other way. Do you think Yates got to where he was only training for 45 minutes a day
^And this too.
I think he’s like 95% right about everything.
Maybe you could nitpick about certain exercises he thought were super effective. Like underhand pull-downs for biceps. Or holding a weight in a static position.
I’m not entirely sure about stuff like that.
But his views on intensity being important. His views on recovery.
The man was brilliant.
And for the people who say there’s more than 1 way to build muscle, I have to disagree. And Mentzer eventually concluded that this was false.
You stress the muscle enough to stimulate growth. And then you rest.
And his point was, if you can stimulate growth in 3 sets, why would you ever do 20 sets?
It’s pointless. All you’re really doing is inhibiting the body’s ability for recovery.
If you can justify 20 sets. You can justify 21 sets. And then 22 sets. And so on.
I would highly recommend his discussion here:
Now I don’t subscribe to his Ayn Rand bullshyt and his other thoughts outside of training.
Maybe you could nitpick about certain exercises he thought were super effective. Like underhand pull-downs for biceps. Or holding a weight in a static position.
I’m not entirely sure about stuff like that.
But his views on intensity being important. His views on recovery.
The man was brilliant.
And for the people who say there’s more than 1 way to build muscle, I have to disagree. And Mentzer eventually concluded that this was false.
You stress the muscle enough to stimulate growth. And then you rest.
And his point was, if you can stimulate growth in 3 sets, why would you ever do 20 sets?
It’s pointless. All you’re really doing is inhibiting the body’s ability for recovery.
If you can justify 20 sets. You can justify 21 sets. And then 22 sets. And so on.
I would highly recommend his discussion here:
Now I don’t subscribe to his Ayn Rand bullshyt and his other thoughts outside of training.
The big myth in training is that more is better.
More reps.
More sets.
More days in the gym.
All of these are not true.
People have gotten in great shape doing more reps, more sets, spending more days in the gym. But Mentzer's argument (and Yates was evidence of it) was that they could have gotten there in less time with more intensity and more rest.
More reps.
More sets.
More days in the gym.
All of these are not true.
People have gotten in great shape doing more reps, more sets, spending more days in the gym. But Mentzer's argument (and Yates was evidence of it) was that they could have gotten there in less time with more intensity and more rest.
xXMASHERXx
Superstar
I'm open to the opposing argument.
Let's hear it.
xXMASHERXx
Superstar
I just find it strange that's even a myth. I don't think anyone who actually works out says that stuff. At least I never heard that from anyone I would trust for lifting advice.
As for your other point, Mentzer and Yates are world class professionals(leaving out the other stuff) what works for them might work for someone who prior experience lifting but the average person cannot handle the intensity that he is preaching. Intensity is more than just number of reps and sets. It's also the weight you're using, are completely the lift properly, how much time in between exercises/sets, etc. And this doesn't even go into diet, rest, activity levels, drug regime, genetics, etc. There was a reason I asked all those questions to OP because imo, someone who could do this properly wouldn't need to make a thread like this. I'm not saying he is wrong(I believe there is some validity to it), I just saying it not as simple as you're trying to make it.
trap101-ETHout-Allegri-In
Superstar
We really gon leave out the massive elephant in the room being the anabolics? You train with that intensity as a natty you are not getting back in right away to hit those muscle groups again anytime soon. Yates coukd train like that AFTER he had done all the grunt work and building for years.
You should not be following any program that the elites are doing or did when they were already elite. They already did the main mass building and now they are refining and are defintiely on anabolics if they are in the elite category...
Alright.
So I'll start with this...
I think people have this idea that training with intensity means going all out balls to the wall like people have seen Dorian Yates do in his Blood & Guts video. That's what was intense FOR HIM, but that doesn't mean that the average person who trains has to go that extreme.
When Mentzer says intensity he's talking about typically 5-8 reps with strict form. Heavy enough weight that you aren't sitting there doing 15 reps and dropping the weight because you hit some magic number that people have been talking about in magazine for 50 years (10-12).
I posted like a 90 minute video above where ....well it's not really a video, this is from the early 1990s so it's actually a phone call....but the audio is between Mentzer and Bill Phillips. Still it's very good and covers everything.
There's also this shorter interview (something like 20 minutes) but it's not quite AS good.
I don't think anyone has any argument over why more reps or more sets are better. A few sets with the proper intensity is enough to stimulate growth. The only thing people do with more volume is tiring out the muscle. And that's just not the same as stimulating growth.
The anabolics allow people to recover faster.
But even if you take out the anabolics the principles remain exactly the same.
I'd bet anything you probably know more people who took PEDs and didn't get shyt out of them than people who took them and blew up amazingly.
And the ones who did get the most out of them, were already the ones who were training seriously.
