Thousands Protest Abduction Of Turkish Student By ICE

[IIVI]

College is the place to take protests. It’s been at least happening for the last 60 years and I think this country has been fine letting younger people do so. It’s Freedom of Speech. What makes this country this country.

To take this aspect away is pretty crazy. You’re basically denying educated people to make their mark on a movement and turn them into cookie cutters.

That said, could be the constraint needed to get creative and make this blow up in MAGA’s face. It’s easier when the opposition is out in the open, much more difficult to gameplan against when you don’t know what’s happening.

You’re about to take all that frustration and rebellion from college students and make them plot against you in secret. Old people already don’t understand these kids and they’re about to be even more closed off. Think of Facebook and how it went underneath everyone’s face until it exploded out of Stanford. You don’t really want to deal with that imo and it’s easier to contain if they’re openly protesting.

 

[Genos]

While one could argue that earlier local actions might have influenced later federal responses, it's critical to recognize the significant differences between local decisions and federally mandated action. Equating them overlooks the escalation from local enforcement to federal crackdowns, which has more profound implications for civil liberties and free speech. It is important to hold all leaders accountable, but it is also important to acknowledge the varying degrees of government involvement and the potential consequences of federal overreach.

To use a metaphor, yes I acknowledge that driving towards a cliff and driving off a cliff are different things. But during the driving towards cliff part, there were plenty of people on the left who were saying "hey we are driving towards a cliff" and everyone was saying that was hyperbolic, now as we are driving off the cliff, people are acting like it appeared out of nowhere. Yes Trump is is doing something way worse but we didn't just get here, even the Biden admin had the country pushing towards fascism.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

To use a metaphor, yes I acknowledge that driving towards a cliff and driving off a cliff are different things. But during the driving towards cliff part, there were plenty of people on the left who were saying "hey we are driving towards a cliff" and everyone was saying that was hyperbolic, now as we are driving off the cliff, people are acting like it appeared out of nowhere. Yes Trump is is doing something way worse but we didn't just get here, even the Biden admin had the country pushing towards fascism.

You're minimizing the escalation Trump represents by suggesting a continuity rather than a major break, but there's a vast difference between a leader making indefensible, harmful decisions and the federal government being weaponized to detain and suppress dissent nationwide. I was highly critical of how Biden handled this at the time, but acknowledging his failures doesn't mean federal crackdowns like this were inevitable, or that Trump's actions aren't on a completely different level.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Brother, I am not drawing an equivalency. My point with that is free speech and the right to protest was stomped out by Biden and the Dems last year.

We are being told to fear fascism when the ones who are "supposed" to protect us from that did not push back in the slightest.

Doesn't matter if it's an ICE camp or a local precinct. They endorsed the idea that the student protestors who were peacefully there with their fellow Jewish voice for peace classmates were secretly working for Hamas and Iran.

i don't know why people get so sensitive about the Biden administration as if it was infallible. Everybody gets the smoke. Including this POS Trump

I actually agree with you to a degree. Biden and the Democrats completely failed to protect protest rights, and in some cases, they helped justify crackdowns. The way student protesters were smeared by liberals was inexcusable. And yeah, when the people who are supposed to be the alternative to fascism cave like that, it makes the warnings about Trump feel hollow.

But where I still disagree, is with saying "it doesn’t matter if it's an ICE camp or a local precinct." It does matter, and not because Biden deserves a pass, but because the way power is structured under Trump is different. This isn't just repression happening under a Democratic admin, it's an explicit plan for mass federal crackdowns and indefinite detention of political opponents. That level of escalation changes what we're actually dealing with.

So I get where you're coming from. But I don't feel like we should blur the lines between failing to stop repression and actively building a system of state violence against dissidents, because it will only lead us to missing the real danger we're facing.

 

[Genos]

You're minimizing the escalation Trump represents by suggesting a continuity rather than a major break, but there's a vast difference between a leader making indefensible, harmful decisions and the federal government being weaponized to detain and suppress dissent nationwide. I was highly critical of how Biden handled this at the time, but acknowledging his failures doesn't mean federal crackdowns like this were inevitable, or that Trump's actions aren't on a completely different level.

But I think you're minimizing the state of the country during the Biden administration. I will always acknowledge that Trump/Republicans are worse than any Democrat. But the Democrats haven't been going in the opposite way of the Republicans, they just want to go slower and turn slightly. You can't advocate for the harshest immigration plan after increasingly harsher immigration over the decades then get surprised when someone wants to do violent mass deportations. Yeah it's not inevitable, but the outcome gets more likely as you keep heading rightward

 

[Bunchy Carter]

This is not Black peoples problem:

 

[Bunchy Carter]

This is not my problem:

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

^Everyone should have a problem with this:

And then there is Canary Mission, a massive blacklisting and doxxing operation directed from Israel that targets students and professors critical of Israeli policies, and then launches slanderous charges against them—charges designed to embarrass and humiliate them and damage their future employability. All secretly funded by wealthy Jewish Americans and Jewish American foundations.

 

[RedCloakBlackWraithe]

gestapo 2.0 civil war coming soon

 

[Zime]

This is going to start happening to regular American citizens who criticize Trump. They are seeing what they can get away with now. Also, if law enforcement can arrest someone in plain clothing what's to stop copy cats. Regular citizens cosplaying as law enforcement and kidnapping random people.

He already said he plans to send some convicted criminals who are US citizens to El Salvador.

 

[Genos]

This is not Black peoples problem:

You don't think they won't label black people terrorists next protest season?

 

[Bunchy Carter]

You don't think they won't label black people terrorists next protest season?

You sound stupid, because they already tried that during the Civil Rights Movement and other Black American Movements.

Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights leaders faced accusations of being a communist or now they would have called them terrorists by the FBI. FBA's already went through this and this shyt ain't new.

Take that scare tactic shyt elsewhere lol.....

...FBA's are good and not scared and this is not Black people problems

 

[BaggerofTea]

This is not Black peoples problem:

You say that now


but I tell you this

there will be a day that they pull this on a black american, what are you going to say then


Nevermind, you are an imbecile, simply cannot be reasoned with

 

[Genos]

You sound stupid, because they already tried that during the Civil Rights Movement and other Black American Movements.

Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights leaders faced accusations of being a communist or now they would have called them terrorists by the FBI. FBA's already went through this and this shyt ain't new.

Take that scare tactic shyt elsewhere lol.....

...FBA's are good and not scared and this is not Black people problems

Breh the 60s weren't a good time. Saying others got through it doesn't mean everyone got through it. Like if 1 to 1 Jim crow was coming back, you would just sit around and say " well the negroes in the 30s got through it so I'm just going to accept what's happening. "

Which is a fine answer, I just hope you and yours get the brunt of the abuse since nikkas in the 60s already went through it

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Breh the 60s weren't a good time. Saying others got through it doesn't mean everyone got through it. Like if 1 to 1 Jim crow was coming back, you would just sit around and say " well the negroes in the 30s got through it so I'm just going to accept what's happening. "

Which is a fine answer, I just hope you and yours get the brunt of the abuse since nikkas in the 60s already went through it

The fukk are you talking about.

FBA's are going to do just fine you idiot. Like I said this is not Black people problems, the Turks can fight for themselves.