Hip-Hop-Bulls
All Star
so if I'm reading this correctly, this white man is still no good for telling the truth?
Tim Wise on white privilege
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I highly doubt his audience is all that different from someone who is Black saying the same thing, based on who I see cosigning him on tumblr,twitter,etc. If he was reaching a very wide and different audience that didn't have any prior engagement with what he was talking about my opinion would be different. But I guess my main beef is that he doesn't bring anything new to the table like academics who deal with race but are exploring new ideas as it relates to identity,gender roles, classism, economics, and internal community colorism among other things. There are so many academics I wish would get more attention but as you said he found his niche
you have any clips of these academics who don't get any shine
he's little pep talk is too little too late
the education system in this country has not just failed the poor minorities
but white america as well
the education system in this country has not just failed the poor minorities
but white america as well
Scustin Trillberlake
Banned
Am I wrong though?Tim Wise has lived a very privileged upper class lifestyle. He also lives in a 97% white community while preaching about how much 'privilege' all the other working poor white people have.
The majority of the white people in the United States don't have the privileges that Tim Wise has, they make significantly less money, don't have the opportunity to send their children to good schools, the manufacturing sector that once employed a lot of these people is gone and their votes mean nothing in the long run.
Tim will always use the argument that poor and working class white people have been tricked into "voting against their best interests", Well i would ask Tim and his supporters who would you like them to vote for?
Both parties privatize gains as they socialize risk, both parties support extreme corporatism. The current administration still spends ridiculous amount of money on national defence and national building projects. This administration can kill it's own citizens without anyone batting an eyelash. The NSA scandal, etc, etc.
Tim Wise and others like him have created an open class warfare against the "Wrong Type of White People". They blame the poor and working poor whites for the ill's of the country as they sit in their rich, white, bourgeois enclaves. That is real privilege.
Leftoids also create racial animosity because they blame the working poor, wrong type of whites, who really don't have much power at all, and all of the non-whites will support this rhetoric simply because they don't like whites or even hate white people and want to play revenge politics.
if this came from anyone but a white person it would be written off as angry black racist rhetoric. a white person saying it lends more credibility. funny how a lot of white people are still in denial about white privelege though. most white people would be worse off without white privelege, even the poor whites would be worse off.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Dude only has a B.A. in poly-sci? 
Ironically he is the poster child for white privilege. I guess his existence gives credence to his arguments.
Ironically he is the poster child for white privilege. I guess his existence gives credence to his arguments.
Hip-Hop-Bulls
All Star
Tim Wise has lived a very privileged upper class lifestyle. He also lives in a 97% white community while preaching about how much 'privilege' all the other working poor white people have.
The majority of the white people in the United States don't have the privileges that Tim Wise has, they make significantly less money, don't have the opportunity to send their children to good schools, the manufacturing sector that once employed a lot of these people is gone and their votes mean nothing in the long run.
Tim will always use the argument that poor and working class white people have been tricked into "voting against their best interests", Well i would ask Tim and his supporters who would you like them to vote for?
Both parties privatize gains as they socialize risk, both parties support extreme corporatism. The current administration still spends ridiculous amount of money on national defence and national building projects. This administration can kill it's own citizens without anyone batting an eyelash. The NSA scandal, etc, etc.
Tim Wise and others like him have created an open class warfare against the "Wrong Type of White People". They blame the poor and working poor whites for the ill's of the country as they sit in their rich, white, bourgeois enclaves. That is real privilege.
Leftoids also create racial animosity because they blame the working poor, wrong type of whites, who really don't have much power at all, and all of the non-whites will support this rhetoric simply because they don't like whites or even hate white people and want to play revenge politics.
Yes.
Of course he lives with white people, what do you expect? Living in black communities simply because he's exposing the so called "nice" white people who are supposedly not racist? White people regardless of status are of their fathers, and if they do nothing to correct the issues their people have made then they should be called out. To be white and speak what he does is
. There's black people that wouldn't even say the things he's saying.And
at you saying he's trying to start some war against lower class whites 
. If you can't handle the truth, perhaps it's because you're one of those people he's talking about and if you're offended by what Tim says and you're black that says a lot.I don't support Tim because I don't like whites. I support Tim for speaking the truth so that everybody can come to an understanding and work towards ending white supremacy. Though I see, some here would like to keep that going...
Peace
Curiously enough, few people ever challenge his arguments --- just generic attacks on him as a person: "blah blah, how can he talk about racism when he's white and privileged...blah, blah, hes a divider"
NZA
LOL
Tim Wise has lived a very privileged upper class lifestyle. He also lives in a 97% white community while preaching about how much 'privilege' all the other working poor white people have.
The majority of the white people in the United States don't have the privileges that Tim Wise has, they make significantly less money, don't have the opportunity to send their children to good schools, the manufacturing sector that once employed a lot of these people is gone and their votes mean nothing in the long run.
Tim will always use the argument that poor and working class white people have been tricked into "voting against their best interests", Well i would ask Tim and his supporters who would you like them to vote for?
Both parties privatize gains as they socialize risk, both parties support extreme corporatism. The current administration still spends ridiculous amount of money on national defence and national building projects. This administration can kill it's own citizens without anyone batting an eyelash. The NSA scandal, etc, etc.
Tim Wise and others like him have created an open class warfare against the "Wrong Type of White People". They blame the poor and working poor whites for the ill's of the country as they sit in their rich, white, bourgeois enclaves. That is real privilege.
Leftoids also create racial animosity because they blame the working poor, wrong type of whites, who really don't have much power at all, and all of the non-whites will support this rhetoric simply because they don't like whites or even hate white people and want to play revenge politics.
i have never seen him only blame poor white people (the video in question mentions the military industrial complex which is of course run by and benefiting elite whites the most).
he does, however, not let poor white people off the hook for their role in white supremacy. if you are going to critique white supremacy, there is no specific group of white americans immune from criticism, no matter how poor they may be.
Tim Wise has lived a very privileged upper class lifestyle. He also lives in a 97% white community while preaching about how much 'privilege' all the other working poor white people have.
The majority of the white people in the United States don't have the privileges that Tim Wise has, they make significantly less money, don't have the opportunity to send their children to good schools, the manufacturing sector that once employed a lot of these people is gone and their votes mean nothing in the long run.
Tim will always use the argument that poor and working class white people have been tricked into "voting against their best interests", Well i would ask Tim and his supporters who would you like them to vote for?
Both parties privatize gains as they socialize risk, both parties support extreme corporatism. The current administration still spends ridiculous amount of money on national defence and national building projects. This administration can kill it's own citizens without anyone batting an eyelash. The NSA scandal, etc, etc.
Tim Wise and others like him have created an open class warfare against the "Wrong Type of White People". They blame the poor and working poor whites for the ill's of the country as they sit in their rich, white, bourgeois enclaves. That is real privilege.
Leftoids also create racial animosity because they blame the working poor, wrong type of whites, who really don't have much power at all, and all of the non-whites will support this rhetoric simply because they don't like whites or even hate white people and want to play revenge politics.
This whole post is dumb. You sound like one of those white people that catches feelings anytime someone mentions slavery or segregation as if they were personally blaming you for it.
I haven't listened to him a huge amount, but he's clearly not "blaming the poor and working poor whites for the ill's of the country".
Scustin Trillberlake
Banned
and the lords of lies held illimitable dominion over all.
The 21st century Western elite are liars. All of them. This is a judgment I render with absolute certainty. The precise delineation between those who intentionally lie and those who are gulled into false beliefs is arguable, but the result is the same: a thick fog of lies that suffocates intellectual thought and demonizes lovers of truth. Occasionally, a barbed tentacle lashes out from the mist, like the enshrouded alien creatures in the Stephen King movie, and decapitates the brave soul who ventures forth unarmored, in pursuit of discovery. Those watching from behind the barricades have their cowed submission reinforced.
A regime of lies has a life cycle, and it rests on the simple psychological calculus that a strident offense will always overrun a complacent defense. The cementing of the regime proceeds in stages.
Stage 1: A cadre of liars outsiders and axe-grinders, often feel kinship with their lies. They believe their own lies. This is how it must start. Much like the master seducer must believe his own irresistibility to win over whole townships of women.
Stage 2: Truth is subverted when trivial nuance is stretched into universal truth.
Stage 3: The motives and character of those who cling bitterly to accepted truths are denigrated.
Stage 4: Common sense is slandered as reflexive primitiveness.
Stage 5: Appeals to emotion, targeted first at women and the morally child-like, then at weaker men, muscle out accessible logic and undefined intuition.
Stage 6: Sophistry with an intellectual veneer is marshaled in service of the foundational lies. Fools are duped.
Stage 7: The ring of lies expands slowly but inexorably outward, encompassing ever-greater whoppers, until a mass suspension of disbelief is achieved.
Stage 8: Fused with the circulatory system of lies great and small, the masses embrace self-delusion and assist in the accommodation of their own viral infection. The alternative would be ego death, which is a pain too great for most.
Stage 9: The liars, having recruited similarly aggrieved acolytes into loose alliances and having sufficiently numbed the populace, ascend to stations where banishment of heretics is possible, and begin the process of purifying their ranks.
Stage 10: Fear marches in lockstep with status whoring, the twin powerhouse Guns of Navarone that keep enemies of the narrative safely penned.
Final stage: Complacency returns to enfeeble the once-aggressors. Weak points erupt along multiple fault lines in the fortress walls. The mentally enslaved shield their eyes from shards of sunlight, and grow restless with questions and illumination. Apathy becomes shame becomes resentment becomes white hot hatred. Vengeance, the second most powerful human emotion after love, strains at its shackles, threatening a blitzkrieg that would consume the regime in hellfire.
Like Smaug, The Lords of Lies rule this epoch smugly atop their pile of riches, wielding unfathomable power. But their plunder is ill-gotten, and easily recaptured. Every tyranny has its soft underbelly, its gem-less fleshy port to the charred beating heart within. Find it, and drive your spear to the hilt. They deserve nothing less.
The 21st century Western elite are liars. All of them. This is a judgment I render with absolute certainty. The precise delineation between those who intentionally lie and those who are gulled into false beliefs is arguable, but the result is the same: a thick fog of lies that suffocates intellectual thought and demonizes lovers of truth. Occasionally, a barbed tentacle lashes out from the mist, like the enshrouded alien creatures in the Stephen King movie, and decapitates the brave soul who ventures forth unarmored, in pursuit of discovery. Those watching from behind the barricades have their cowed submission reinforced.
A regime of lies has a life cycle, and it rests on the simple psychological calculus that a strident offense will always overrun a complacent defense. The cementing of the regime proceeds in stages.
Stage 1: A cadre of liars outsiders and axe-grinders, often feel kinship with their lies. They believe their own lies. This is how it must start. Much like the master seducer must believe his own irresistibility to win over whole townships of women.
Stage 2: Truth is subverted when trivial nuance is stretched into universal truth.
Stage 3: The motives and character of those who cling bitterly to accepted truths are denigrated.
Stage 4: Common sense is slandered as reflexive primitiveness.
Stage 5: Appeals to emotion, targeted first at women and the morally child-like, then at weaker men, muscle out accessible logic and undefined intuition.
Stage 6: Sophistry with an intellectual veneer is marshaled in service of the foundational lies. Fools are duped.
Stage 7: The ring of lies expands slowly but inexorably outward, encompassing ever-greater whoppers, until a mass suspension of disbelief is achieved.
Stage 8: Fused with the circulatory system of lies great and small, the masses embrace self-delusion and assist in the accommodation of their own viral infection. The alternative would be ego death, which is a pain too great for most.
Stage 9: The liars, having recruited similarly aggrieved acolytes into loose alliances and having sufficiently numbed the populace, ascend to stations where banishment of heretics is possible, and begin the process of purifying their ranks.
Stage 10: Fear marches in lockstep with status whoring, the twin powerhouse Guns of Navarone that keep enemies of the narrative safely penned.
Final stage: Complacency returns to enfeeble the once-aggressors. Weak points erupt along multiple fault lines in the fortress walls. The mentally enslaved shield their eyes from shards of sunlight, and grow restless with questions and illumination. Apathy becomes shame becomes resentment becomes white hot hatred. Vengeance, the second most powerful human emotion after love, strains at its shackles, threatening a blitzkrieg that would consume the regime in hellfire.
Like Smaug, The Lords of Lies rule this epoch smugly atop their pile of riches, wielding unfathomable power. But their plunder is ill-gotten, and easily recaptured. Every tyranny has its soft underbelly, its gem-less fleshy port to the charred beating heart within. Find it, and drive your spear to the hilt. They deserve nothing less.
ogc163
Superstar
Talk of the devil, people are going in on Wise today for this dumbass tweet...
[ame]https://twitter.com/timjacobwise/status/354018758467141633[/ame]
And here is a good critique of Tim Wise...
Word to the Wise: Unpacking the White Privilege of Tim Wise | People Of Color Organize!
[ame]https://twitter.com/timjacobwise/status/354018758467141633[/ame]
And here is a good critique of Tim Wise...
Word to the Wise: Unpacking the White Privilege of Tim Wise | People Of Color Organize!
