timbaland names the top producers of all-time

[JustCKing]

I don't even group swizz with them.

just because you may produce for the same artists or albums, it doesn't mean that youre the same type of producer. people call on producers for different reasons. that's what you and @bigbadbossup2012 aren't comprehending. at least with the neptunes, they went on to do stuff like the clipse albums. t

@ the bolded. youre stuck on the drums breh.

Being a commercial producer isn't a specific type of producer. Any producer that artists are using to help sell their album is a commercial producer. Yes, that includes the Premo's and Pete Rocks. Why? Because they also produced singles even if it was the street single, it was still used to move units. All of them are commercial producer because they were staples on commercial albums from commercial artists. They are brand name producers and that includes Pete Rock and DJ Premier. And yes, a lot of artists even had them produce their singles.

The Neptunes producing Clipse albums wasn't outside of the realm of what they were already doing. All of those albums still had elements of everything that The Neptunes are known for.

Nobody's stuck on drums. Timbaland's drum programming is a huge part of what distinguished him from everybody else.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Teddy Riley --------------)his list!

 

[JustCKing]

what artists did timbaland boost or blow up in the game? I'm talking more legitimate rappers with albums that ring bells.

he even had his own label with a few legit talents. and they got nowhere.

you gotta ask these sort of things before you start throwing rankings around.

Timbaland helped boost Jay Z's career. That's not even really an argument.

 

[JustCKing]

lets use teddy riley as a barometer here.

i'd say he has a stronger claim as a hip-hop producer than the neptunes & timbaland. but we mainly categorize him as r&b. and this is the guy that produced THE SHOW and seminal records for legends like kool moe dee, heavy d & big daddy kane. and mind you, most of this stuff came before he started doing r&b beats.

difference with timbaland & neptunes is, they blew when rap became overly commercial and the lines are so blurred for people who REALLY got into rap since then.

HERES THE BOTTOM LINE: I'm not saying timbaland & neptunes aren't hip-hop producers but if I see their names come up in an all-time top 5 or 10 hip-hop producers list, I cant really take that person seriously. especially timbaland.

Teddy Riley is legendary and I'd put him over The Neptunes and Timbaland as an overall producer. Hip Hop wise, there's no way Teddy Riley is >>>>> than either of them. I know he did "The Show"", but that's not enough to put him over them even as legendary as those songs are. These guys were changing the sound of Hip Hop and influencing a few generations of Hip Hop producers all while producing seminal records for Jay Z, Snoop Dogg, and Busta Rhymes

Them blowing up when rap was overly commercial is neither here or there. Their sound defied what was the norm for commercial rap at the time. They weren't looping up R&B and Pop records a la the Trackmasters and The Hitmen (which dominated at the time Timbaland and The Neptunes blew up).

You are saying Timbaland and The Neptunes aren't Hip Hop producers. You have posts stating that and have been very adamant about stating that they aren't. I really don't care where Timbaland or The Neptunes fall in rankings because that kind of thing is subjective. If someone makes a list and the criteria aligns with their legacies, I don't see how an argument of them being Top 10 is bogus as long as there's an argument or criteria that supports it. I personally wouldn't put either in a Top 5 objectively speaking, but a Top 10 is feasible:

1. Dre
2. RZA
3. Marley
4. Bomb Squad
5. Rubin
6. Premo
7. Larry Smith
8. Timbaland
9. The Neptunes
10. Kanye West

^^^ This list is based on impact, influence, longevity, and quality of music.

 

[Killigraphy]

Kanye, till he fell off/in thots

Dre - da Goat

So he's right there, but when he put himself on there....c'mon son. If we're softballing em, why not DJ Mustard or Khaled?


Madlib, J Dilla, Daft Punk all reasonable, but Swizz? is there any memorable track and or album Swizz was on? All I can think of is a few Dmx tracks before I start thinking of DJ Clue...

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Kanye, till he fell off/in thots

Dre - da Goat

So he's right there, but when he put himself on there....c'mon son. If we're softballing em, why not DJ Mustard or Khaled?


Madlib, J Dilla, Daft Punk all reasonable, but Swizz? is there any memorable track and or album Swizz was on? All I can think of is a few Dmx tracks before I start thinking of DJ Clue...

How are they more worthy than swizz?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

and timbaland's sound wasn't as brand new as people like to make it out to be. but again, that's off-topic.





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Who did tim sound like?

 

[JustCKing]

Kanye, till he fell off/in thots

Dre - da Goat

So he's right there, but when he put himself on there....c'mon son. If we're softballing em, why not DJ Mustard or Khaled?


Madlib, J Dilla, Daft Punk all reasonable, but Swizz? is there any memorable track and or album Swizz was on? All I can think of is a few Dmx tracks before I start thinking of DJ Clue...

That's straight up disrespect. Neither of them have done anything worthy of a Top 10 producers 2010-present let alone a Top 5. They've had a handful of hits (nowhere near the caliber of Timbaland, Dre, Kanye, Swizz, or The Neptunes. They definitely don't have the impact, influence, or longevity. Neither of them have ever produced an entire album either. Softballin? LOL

As far as Swizz Beatz, I take it you've never heard "Jigga My nikka", Busta Rhymes' "Touch It", T.I.'s "Bring Em Out", N.O.R.E.'s "Banned From T.V.", Cassidy's "I'm A Hustla", Jay Z's "On To The Next One".

 

[Wacky D]

Not like the dudes on timbo's list,naw.
But i'm not mad that timbo didnt name him,no problem here

pete rock has more hits than dj quik.

but quik gets a salute from you.

 

[Wacky D]

until timbaland can produce an album thats worth a dam or help boost a new artist up into prominence, hes not even in consideration. I rank teddy Riley's rap catalog ahead of dude. chit, I rank Jermaine dupri & herby luvbug higher. aint nobody even mention them in here.

timbaland is in the same boat as the alchemists, maadlibs & them. hes just rowing with a different paddle. he has the hits. they have the album cuts that reasonate with people. the goats should be the guys that did both, as well as produce full albums that mattered. anything other than that is just a lazy or uninformed list that I cant take seriously.

as for the others in question:
swizz beatz - prime swizz was GREAT, whether you respected his methods or not. but after that ruff ryder run, he became hit-or-miss to me.

neptunes - when they hit their stride, they had a great run as well. but man, they put out too much wack chit.

Kanye west - nothing bad to say really, but hes just not THAT nice. everything he gets propped up for, was done much better by somebody else. sometimes he even looks like a hack in comparison.

Who did tim sound like?

Devante?



people get gassed off of pony, but that wasn't the first of its kind either.

Being a commercial producer isn't a specific type of producer. Any producer that artists are using to help sell their album is a commercial producer. Yes, that includes the Premo's and Pete Rocks. Why? Because they also produced singles even if it was the street single, it was still used to move units. All of them are commercial producer because they were staples on commercial albums from commercial artists. They are brand name producers and that includes Pete Rock and DJ Premier. And yes, a lot of artists even had them produce their singles.

The Neptunes producing Clipse albums wasn't outside of the realm of what they were already doing. All of those albums still had elements of everything that The Neptunes are known for.

Nobody's stuck on drums. Timbaland's drum programming is a huge part of what distinguished him from everybody else.

lol @ this guy trying to move goalposts and redefine the meaning of commercial. this cat never has any boundaries.

like I said, youre stuck on drums so you don't get it. theres a reason why timbaland has never put out a beat remotely resembling "no more pain". like I said, he didn't ghostproduce chit. at best, he programmed the drums.

Timbaland helped boost Jay Z's career. That's not even really an argument.

jay-z was droppin legendary chit when timbaland was still in the bassmet.

if youre talking commercially, then volume 2 boosted jay's career.

the timbaland beat on that tape was what? the 5th biggest single on the album?

Teddy Riley is legendary and I'd put him over The Neptunes and Timbaland as an overall producer. Hip Hop wise, there's no way Teddy Riley is >>>>> than either of them. I know he did "The Show"", but that's not enough to put him over them even as legendary as those songs are. These guys were changing the sound of Hip Hop and influencing a few generations of Hip Hop producers all while producing seminal records for Jay Z, Snoop Dogg, and Busta Rhymes

Them blowing up when rap was overly commercial is neither here or there. Their sound defied what was the norm for commercial rap at the time. They weren't looping up R&B and Pop records a la the Trackmasters and The Hitmen (which dominated at the time Timbaland and The Neptunes blew up).

You are saying Timbaland and The Neptunes aren't Hip Hop producers. You have posts stating that and have been very adamant about stating that they aren't. I really don't care where Timbaland or The Neptunes fall in rankings because that kind of thing is subjective. If someone makes a list and the criteria aligns with their legacies, I don't see how an argument of them being Top 10 is bogus as long as there's an argument or criteria that supports it. I personally wouldn't put either in a Top 5 objectively speaking, but a Top 10 is feasible:

1. Dre
2. RZA
3. Marley
4. Bomb Squad
5. Rubin
6. Premo
7. Larry Smith
8. Timbaland
9. The Neptunes
10. Kanye West

^^^ This list is based on impact, influence, longevity, and quality of music.

teddy riley produced way more than just the show breh.

and what seminal records did timbaland produce? big pimpin? and lol @ anything timbaland did for snoop dogg & busta rhymes being seminal. youre just talking the talk. stop parroting me in every thread. trying to use my words when they don't match.

lol @ neptunes & timbaland changing the sound of hip-hop. LOL.

I like your top 10 tho. I mean, I have a different order, but all of them are in my top 10 except timbaland, neptunes & Kanye west.
take them out and give me mannie fresh, pete rock & beats by the pound.

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

Swizz beats ?

 

[milik_19]

Dilla
Kanye
Dre
Just Blaze
Daft Punk

Would be my list even tho Daft Punk aint hiphop, they produced amazing music

 

[Wacky D]

daft punk? isn't that a rock group?

man f*ck this board man.

yall in here with this chit.

 

[JustCKing]

Devante?



people get gassed off of pony, but that wasn't the first of its kind either.

Timbaland's beats and Devante's don't really sound a like. You're better off making a comparison between SMK and Timbaland. Devante was incorporating crickets, birds, or laughing babies. The drums are different. Timbaland's production is far more Hip Hop and less musical than Devante.

lol @ this guy trying to move goalposts and redefine the meaning of commercial. this cat never has any boundaries.

like I said, youre stuck on drums so you don't get it. theres a reason why timbaland has never put out a beat remotely resembling "no more pain". like I said, he didn't ghostproduce chit. at best, he programmed the drums.

I didn't move goal posts. Commercial isn't a sound. It has to do with selling a product. All of them are commercial producers. You couldn't lump DJ Premier or Pete Rock in with an underground or obscure producer the same way you couldn't lump Timbaland, Pharrell, or Kanye in with an underground producer.

"nikka What, nikka Who" is definitely in the same vein as "No More Pain". It's laughable that you'd even question that because Devate's catalog is pretty much all R&B records with nothing else in the same ballpark as "No More Pain" on a Hip Hop level, yet here you are saying Timbaland has no beats like that.

volume 2 boosted jay's career.

the timbaland beat was what? the 5th biggest single on the album?

"Big Pimpin" helped boost Jay Z's career as did "Dirt Off Your Shoulders", but you can continue to play dumb.

teddy riley produced way more than just the show breh.

and what seminal records did timbaland produce? big pimpin? and lol @ anything timbaland did for snoop dogg & busta rhymes being seminal. youre just talking the talk. stop parroting me in every thread. trying to use my words when they don't match.

lol @ neptunes & timbaland changing the sound of hip-hop. LOL.

I like your top 10 tho. I mean, I have a different order, but all of them are in my top 10 except timbaland, neptunes & Kanye west.
take them out and give me mannie fresh, pete rock & beats by the pound

Where did I say that Teddy Riley only produced "The Show"?

Timbaland has way more classics than "Big Pimpin". When I brought up Snoop and Busta, I was talking about The Neptunes joints ("Pass The Courvoisier Pt. 2" and "Drop It Like It's Hot" respectively). I'm sorry, I didn't know that you trademarked the word "seminal".

The Neptunes and Timbaland did indeed change the sound of Hip Hop. That's always noted especially on here because people who loved the era of a more regional sound often criticize Timbaland, The Neptunes, and Swizz for being "futuristic" and being staples on albums from all over. It ushered in a new era of super producers who weren't exclusive to any particular region and were creating more unorthodox beats.

It's funny you're going to criticize someone's list and then list Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound. You're posing questions like what rappers Timbaland and The Neptunes elevate or introduce, but then you go on to list Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound except neither of them elevated or introduced anyone who wasn't a part of their own camp. That's the equivalent of me listing Missy Elliott, Petey Pablo, Bubba Sparxxx, and Ms. Jade records (which you would of course dismiss) or Clipse, N.O.R.E., Philly's Most Wanted tracks for The Neptunes.

 

[Wacky D]

Timbaland's beats and Devante's don't really sound a like. You're better off making a comparison between SMK and Timbaland. Devante was incorporating crickets, birds, or laughing babies. The drums are different. Timbaland's production is far more Hip Hop and less musical than Devante.



I didn't move goal posts. Commercial isn't a sound. It has to do with selling a product. All of them are commercial producers. You couldn't lump DJ Premier or Pete Rock in with an underground or obscure producer the same way you couldn't lump Timbaland, Pharrell, or Kanye in with an underground producer.

"nikka What, nikka Who" is definitely in the same vein as "No More Pain". It's laughable that you'd even question that because Devate's catalog is pretty much all R&B records with nothing else in the same ballpark as "No More Pain" on a Hip Hop level, yet here you are saying Timbaland has no beats like that.



"Big Pimpin" helped boost Jay Z's career as did "Dirt Off Your Shoulders", but you can continue to play dumb.



Where did I say that Teddy Riley only produced "The Show"?

Timbaland has way more classics than "Big Pimpin". When I brought up Snoop and Busta, I was talking about The Neptunes joints ("Pass The Courvoisier Pt. 2" and "Drop It Like It's Hot" respectively). I'm sorry, I didn't know that you trademarked the word "seminal".

The Neptunes and Timbaland did indeed change the sound of Hip Hop. That's always noted especially on here because people who loved the era of a more regional sound often criticize Timbaland, The Neptunes, and Swizz for being "futuristic" and being staples on albums from all over. It ushered in a new era of super producers who weren't exclusive to any particular region and were creating more unorthodox beats.

It's funny you're going to criticize someone's list and then list Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound. You're posing questions like what rappers Timbaland and The Neptunes elevate or introduce, but then you go on to list Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound except neither of them elevated or introduced anyone who wasn't a part of their own camp. That's the equivalent of me listing Missy Elliott, Petey Pablo, Bubba Sparxxx, and Ms. Jade records (which you would of course dismiss) or Clipse, N.O.R.E., Philly's Most Wanted tracks for The Neptunes.

I didn't say he was a carbon copy of Devante. just saying his overall style was far from unheard of.

youre confusing commercial with mainstream.

"nikka what nikka who" is the closest he came to a "no more pain". and theres a clear difference between the two. the melodies of "no more pain" alone kills off the jay record. timbo could never put something like that together. he'll give you some goofball sound effects instead.

big pimpin boosted jay-z how? the album jay dropped the previous year sold darn near twice as much as that album. and lol @ "dirt off ya shoulders".

@ pass the courvoiser & drop it like its hot. those aren't seminal records. and no, I didn't trademark the word "seminal" but I'm dam sure the reason why youre trying to use it right now.

neptunes & timbaland made a heavy impact on radio but they didn't shift anything in HIP-HOP outside of that. and they have nothing to do with the lack of regional sound in the MAINSTREAM. absolutely nothing.

lol @ you trying to move goalposts still. it doesn't matter if the artists you elevate are in your camp or not. I clearly brought up the beat club earlier and how timbaland failed to elevate any of them to a serious standing. that's HIS camp. why would I bring up his camp if camps don't count? he didn't elevate anybody.

and I gave the neptunes props for that already. what are you bringing them up for? this is about timbaland. none of the names you mentioned had a serious hip-hop career. missy is more of star in the r&b realm. basically what she was when she was just doing verses on r&b records before her album even dropped. ms jade could've and should've been a star, which goes to show how weak timbaland is in comparison to some of the names that were dropped earlier, and how hes not the hip-hop guy that yall desperately try to make him out to be. bubba sparxxx & petey Pablo are the best names you can come up with breh? youre proving my point.