timbaland names the top producers of all-time

[JustCKing]

I didn't say he was a carbon copy of Devante. just saying his overall style was far from unheard of.

youre confusing commercial with mainstream.

"nikka what nikka who" is the closest he came to a "no more pain". and theres a clear difference between the two. the melodies of "no more pain" alone kills off the jay record. timbo could never put something like that together. he'll give you some goofball sound effects instead.

big pimpin boosted jay-z how? the album jay dropped the previous year sold darn near twice as much as that album. and lol @ "dirt off ya shoulders".

@ pass the courvoiser & drop it like its hot. those aren't seminal records. and no, I didn't trademark the word "seminal" but I'm dam sure the reason why youre trying to use it right now.

neptunes & timbaland made a heavy impact on radio but they didn't shift anything in HIP-HOP outside of that. and they have nothing to do with the lack of regional sound in the MAINSTREAM. absolutely nothing.

lol @ you trying to move goalposts still. it doesn't matter if the artists you elevate are in your camp or not. I clearly brought up the beat club earlier and how timbaland failed to elevate any of them to a serious standing. that's HIS camp. why would I bring up his camp if camps don't count? he didn't elevate anybody.

and I gave the neptunes props for that already. what are you bringing them up for? this is about timbaland. none of the names you mentioned had a serious hip-hop career. missy is more of star in the r&b realm. basically what she was when she was just doing verses on r&b records before her album even dropped. ms jade could've and should've been a star, which goes to show how weak timbaland is in comparison to some of the names that were dropped earlier, and how hes not the hip-hop guy that yall desperately try to make him out to be. bubba sparxxx & petey Pablo are the best names you can come up with breh? youre proving my point.

Nobody was doing what Timbaland was doing sonically. Again, you'd have to look to the Memphis underground to come close to hearing anything like what Timbaland was doing. The only point of reference in the mainstream is "No More Pain", which is something he helped create.

Mainstream and commercial go hand-in-hand.

The point isn't what melodies kill "nikka What nikka Who". The point was that Timbaland has a track like "No More Pain" in his arsenal when you said that nothing Timbaland has made sounds remotely like that. Where's Devante's other beats that sound like "No More Pain".

Uuum, I'm supposed to be the "number cruncher" according to you, now here you are throwing out sales figures (which are false by the way). "Big Pimpin" indeed helped boost Jay Z. You do realize every single from Vol. 3 was a relative flop compared to "Big Pimpin". On top of that, he had two joints on Jay's biggest album, which led to Timbaland becoming one of Jay Z's go to producers since then.

"Drop It Like It's Hot" is a seminal record. That beat pretty much fathered that whole "A Milli" style of Bangladesh productions. In regard to the word seminal, I used it because I'm responding to the post in which you used it. That happens when people are responding.

Again, The Neptunes and Timbaland changed Hip Hop production. You have their contemporaries like Stevie J. saying he created "Notorious Thugs" as a result of being inspired by Timbaland's production. Mannie Fresh (the guy you have listed in your own top 10) lists Timbaland as one of his Top 5 favorite producers (I guess you can't take him seriously anymore). Kanye is on record saying he was trying to make beats that sounded like Timbaland and Dre's. Current producers from 40 to Boi-1da to Mustard to Mike Will all cite Timbaland as an influence. When Timbaland first arrived on the scene, Hip Hop producers were sampling his work and it was barely a year old. When he produced "Big Pimpin" and "Get Ur Freak On", you had Just Blaze lacing Freeway with "Flipside" and lacing Eric Sermon with "React", Scott Storch lacing Fat Joe with "Lean Back" etc. From 2001-2007, Hip Hop producers were incorporating Middle Eastern and Indian samples into their production.

They had a lot to do with a lack of regional sound in Hip Hop. Most producers of that era worked exclusively with one region. The Neptunes and Timbaland were lacing artists from The East, West, South, and Midwest. Not only that, but listening to their beats, you couldn't tell where they were from.

Missy Elliott is also a star in the Hip Hop world. Her biggest album to date is the one with the least amount of singing and is pretty much an ode to Hip Hop. Her biggest songs feature no singing at all. As for the others, you're lost as to why I brought them up in the first place and didn't even bring up the point (where's Mannie and Beats By The Pound rapper that they boosted or introduced). If camps don't count, it's rather contradictory to claim Mannie and Beats By The Pound are Top 10 all while discrediting Tim, The Neptunes, and Kanye.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

pete rock has more hits than dj quik.

but quik gets a salute from you.

I think pete rock has talent too but not enough hits to knock anyone off tim's list.
So i speak on it. He's overrated in general so i speak on that. But he's had his moments.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Nobody was doing what Timbaland was doing sonically. Again, you'd have to look to the Memphis underground to come close to hearing anything like what Timbaland was doing. The only point of reference in the mainstream is "No More Pain", which is something he helped create.

Mainstream and commercial go hand-in-hand.

The point isn't what melodies kill "nikka What nikka Who". The point was that Timbaland has a track like "No More Pain" in his arsenal when you said that nothing Timbaland has made sounds remotely like that. Where's Devante's other beats that sound like "No More Pain".

Uuum, I'm supposed to be the "number cruncher" according to you, now here you are throwing out sales figures (which are false by the way). "Big Pimpin" indeed helped boost Jay Z. You do realize every single from Vol. 3 was a relative flop compared to "Big Pimpin". On top of that, he had two joints on Jay's biggest album, which led to Timbaland becoming one of Jay Z's go to producers since then.

"Drop It Like It's Hot" is a seminal record. That beat pretty much fathered that whole "A Milli" style of Bangladesh productions. In regard to the word seminal, I used it because I'm responding to the post in which you used it. That happens when people are responding.

Again, The Neptunes and Timbaland changed Hip Hop production. You have their contemporaries like Stevie J. saying he created "Notorious Thugs" as a result of being inspired by Timbaland's production. Mannie Fresh (the guy you have listed in your own top 10) lists Timbaland as one of his Top 5 favorite producers (I guess you can't take him seriously anymore). Kanye is on record saying he was trying to make beats that sounded like Timbaland and Dre's. Current producers from 40 to Boi-1da to Mustard to Mike Will all cite Timbaland as an influence. When Timbaland first arrived on the scene, Hip Hop producers were sampling his work and it was barely a year old. When he produced "Big Pimpin" and "Get Ur Freak On", you had Just Blaze lacing Freeway with "Flipside" and lacing Eric Sermon with "React", Scott Storch lacing Fat Joe with "Lean Back" etc. From 2001-2007, Hip Hop producers were incorporating Middle Eastern and Indian samples into their production.

They had a lot to do with a lack of regional sound in Hip Hop. Most producers of that era worked exclusively with one region. The Neptunes and Timbaland were lacing artists from The East, West, South, and Midwest. Not only that, but listening to their beats, you couldn't tell where they were from.

Missy Elliott is also a star in the Hip Hop world. Her biggest album to date is the one with the least amount of singing and is pretty much an ode to Hip Hop. Her biggest songs feature no singing at all. As for the others, you're lost as to why I brought them up in the first place and didn't even bring up the point (where's Mannie and Beats By The Pound rapper that they boosted or introduced). If camps don't count, it's rather contradictory to claim Mannie and Beats By The Pound are Top 10 all while discrediting Tim, The Neptunes, and Kanye.

 

[Wacky D]

I think pete rock has talent too but not enough hits to knock anyone off tim's list.
So i speak on it. He's overrated in general so i speak on that. But he's had his moments.

so dj quik is overrated too?

As for the others, you're lost as to why I brought them up in the first place and didn't even bring up the point (where's Mannie and Beats By The Pound rapper that they boosted or introduced). If camps don't count, it's rather contradictory to claim Mannie and Beats By The Pound are Top 10 all while discrediting Tim, The Neptunes, and Kanye.

man you stupid.

YOURE THE ONE that tried to say that camps don't count. NOT ME. and i made that clear in my previous post as well.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

so dj quik is overrated too?







man you stupid.

YOURE THE ONE that tried to say that camps don't count. NOT ME. and i made that clear in my previous post as well.

No quik's not overrated at all. Most (nearly all) overrated acts hail from the east

 

[Wacky D]

No quik's not overrated at all. Most (nearly all) overrated acts hail from the east

AND NOW we uncover your real agenda in this thread.

before its "they don't have hits" but when dj quik is brought up, its a whole different story.

Nobody was doing what Timbaland was doing sonically. Again, you'd have to look to the Memphis underground to come close to hearing anything like what Timbaland was doing. The only point of reference in the mainstream is "No More Pain", which is something he helped create.

Mainstream and commercial go hand-in-hand.

The point isn't what melodies kill "nikka What nikka Who". The point was that Timbaland has a track like "No More Pain" in his arsenal when you said that nothing Timbaland has made sounds remotely like that. Where's Devante's other beats that sound like "No More Pain".

Uuum, I'm supposed to be the "number cruncher" according to you, now here you are throwing out sales figures (which are false by the way). "Big Pimpin" indeed helped boost Jay Z. You do realize every single from Vol. 3 was a relative flop compared to "Big Pimpin". On top of that, he had two joints on Jay's biggest album, which led to Timbaland becoming one of Jay Z's go to producers since then.

"Drop It Like It's Hot" is a seminal record. That beat pretty much fathered that whole "A Milli" style of Bangladesh productions. In regard to the word seminal, I used it because I'm responding to the post in which you used it. That happens when people are responding.

Again, The Neptunes and Timbaland changed Hip Hop production. You have their contemporaries like Stevie J. saying he created "Notorious Thugs" as a result of being inspired by Timbaland's production. Mannie Fresh (the guy you have listed in your own top 10) lists Timbaland as one of his Top 5 favorite producers (I guess you can't take him seriously anymore). Kanye is on record saying he was trying to make beats that sounded like Timbaland and Dre's. Current producers from 40 to Boi-1da to Mustard to Mike Will all cite Timbaland as an influence. When Timbaland first arrived on the scene, Hip Hop producers were sampling his work and it was barely a year old. When he produced "Big Pimpin" and "Get Ur Freak On", you had Just Blaze lacing Freeway with "Flipside" and lacing Eric Sermon with "React", Scott Storch lacing Fat Joe with "Lean Back" etc. From 2001-2007, Hip Hop producers were incorporating Middle Eastern and Indian samples into their production.

They had a lot to do with a lack of regional sound in Hip Hop. Most producers of that era worked exclusively with one region. The Neptunes and Timbaland were lacing artists from The East, West, South, and Midwest. Not only that, but listening to their beats, you couldn't tell where they were from.

Missy Elliott is also a star in the Hip Hop world. Her biggest album to date is the one with the least amount of singing and is pretty much an ode to Hip Hop. Her biggest songs feature no singing at all.

lol. youre only acknowledging Memphis underground because of that video clip when dudes set you str8 in that other thread.

fair enough on the mainstream/commercial thing. i'll put it like this. you grouping nationally exposed with mainstream/commercial in a very negligent manner.

point is, timbaland doesn't have a "no more pain" in his arsenal outside of the drums.
Devante barely did any rap beats, but yea, he has slow jams that sound closer to "no more pain" than anything timbaland has done. and that's a dam shame.

again i ask, where did big pimpin boost jay-z too?

"drop it like its hot" was a big hit but its not a seminal record. an example of a seminal record from snoop would be say "gin & juice". theres a WIDE gap between those two song.

stevie j is more of an r&b producer his dam self. and notorious thugs was sloppy. i can see mannie fresh being big on timbaland. i would've predicted it actually.

the rest of this is you showing examples of radio chit, which i already gave them credit for. this paragraph is pointless.

the lack of regional sound on TV/radio is moreso a product of the radio/music TV/record label monopolies. and as far of the neptunes/timbalands sounds go, they don't have a coastal sound to them, because theyre from Virginia.

as for missy, who cares what her biggest album is? its all about whose buying it!!!!! BE SMART SON.

 

[JustCKing]

AND NOW we uncover your real agenda in this thread.

before its "they don't have hits" but when dj quik is brought up, its a whole different story.






lol. youre only acknowledging Memphis underground because of that video clip when dudes set you str8 in that other thread.

fair enough on the mainstream/commercial thing. i'll put it like this. you grouping nationally exposed with mainstream/commercial in a very negligent manner.

point is, timbaland doesn't have a "no more pain" in his arsenal outside of the drums.
Devante barely did any rap beats, but yea, he has slow jams that sound closer to "no more pain" than anything timbaland has done. and that's a dam shame.

again i ask, where did big pimpin boost jay-z too?

"drop it like its hot" was a big hit but its not a seminal record. an example of a seminal record from snoop would be say "gin & juice". theres a WIDE gap between those two song.

stevie j is more of an r&b producer his dam self. and notorious thugs was sloppy. i can see mannie fresh being big on timbaland. i would've predicted it actually.

the rest of this is you showing examples of radio chit, which i already gave them credit for. this paragraph is pointless.

the lack of regional sound on TV/radio is moreso a product of the radio/music TV/record label monopolies. and as far of the neptunes/timbalands sounds go, they don't have a coastal sound to them, because theyre from Virginia.

as for missy, who cares what her biggest album is? its all about whose buying it!!!!! BE SMART SON.

First off nobody set anybody straight. There's an entire website based on Da Bassment where members of Da Bassment discuss how each of them developed into what they became. Not only that, but there's also music from Da Bassment where you can hear things that Timbaland created while in Da Bassment that he remade once he left. They even acknowledge that Timbaland's sound was a combination of SMK's drums and Accion (who wasn't even a part of the video that was posted).

Bruh, you just admitted that "nikka What nikka Who" sounds like "No More Pain" now you're saying that Timbaland has nothing like that in his arsenal. . Devante has no slow jams anywhere near anything that sounds like "No More Pain". Name em'. Furthermore, if that's the route you're going, the intros on both Aaliyah's and Ginuwines '96 albums sound closer to "No More Pain" than any Devante production.

"Big Pimpin" elevated Jay:

Yes sir, just the sound of his voice is a hit
Y'all nikkaz got me really confused out there
I make 'Big Pimpin'' or 'Give It To Me' one of those
Y'all hail me as the greatest writer of the 21st century

^^^ Jay Z's own words.


"Gin & Juice" has absolutely no bearing on whether "Drop It Like It's Hot" is seminal or not. Artists can have records that are more seminal than others, but it doesn't mean that the only have one.

Who cares what genre of music you're lumping Stevie J. into. "Notorious Thugs" is a Hip Hop song and the producer got the inspiration from Tim. On top of that, you're harping on the one producer when I listed several from different eras.

This has nothing to do with radio. I'm talking about Hip Hop producers who are crediting Timbaland with influencing their style.

Record company monopolies have nothing to do with lacking a regional sound. They were making a killing when Hip Hop was coastal. There wasn't a need for a West Coast artist to cop a Premo, Pete Rock, or RZA track. The same way, there really wasn't a need for an East Coast artist to cop a track from Dre, Quik, or Daz (even though Nas had Dre on IWW and Dre helped mastermind The Firm). When Timbaland and The Neptunes came through, everybody from all over was hopping on their beats. Being from Virginia had nothing to do with it. There's several producers from Virginia who have sounds that are more regional.

No it's not about who's buying it. Outside of "Sock It 2 Me" and "Hot Boyz", the songs where Missy predominantly sings end up flopping in comparison to songs like "Work It", "Get Ur Freak On" and "Gossip Folks".

 

[JustCKing]

so dj quik is overrated too?







man you stupid.

YOURE THE ONE that tried to say that camps don't count. NOT ME. and i made that clear in my previous post as well.

I never said camps didn't count. I said that Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound didn't really elevate anyone outside of their own camp. Only reason I brought it up in the first place is because you're dismissive of acts like Missy, Petey Pablo, Bubba Sparxxx when it's really the same as Mannie producing CMR artists and BBTP producing No Limit artists. The only valid argument is that some of the No Limit and CMR artists were better rappers.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

AND NOW we uncover your real agenda in this thread.

before its "they don't have hits" but when dj quik is brought up, its a whole different story.






.

wtf you talking bout?

 

[Wacky D]

I never said camps didn't count. I said that Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound didn't really elevate anyone outside of their own camp. Only reason I brought it up in the first place is because you're dismissive of acts like Missy, Petey Pablo, Bubba Sparxxx when it's really the same as Mannie producing CMR artists and BBTP producing No Limit artists. The only valid argument is that some of the No Limit and CMR artists were better rappers.

YES YOU DID SAY THAT DUMB CHIT.

you want me to go grab the quotes?

I don't intend to be mean and str8 dismiss missy, petey Pablo & bubba sparxxx but be real with the game man. these people aren't factors. what notable rap careers has timbaland anchored? and don't give me people who were already huge. you trying to give timbaland credit for jay-z is embarrassing.

First off nobody set anybody straight. There's an entire website based on Da Bassment where members of Da Bassment discuss how each of them developed into what they became. Not only that, but there's also music from Da Bassment where you can hear things that Timbaland created while in Da Bassment that he remade once he left. They even acknowledge that Timbaland's sound was a combination of SMK's drums and Accion (who wasn't even a part of the video that was posted).

Bruh, you just admitted that "nikka What nikka Who" sounds like "No More Pain" now you're saying that Timbaland has nothing like that in his arsenal. . Devante has no slow jams anywhere near anything that sounds like "No More Pain". Name em'. Furthermore, if that's the route you're going, the intros on both Aaliyah's and Ginuwines '96 albums sound closer to "No More Pain" than any Devante production.

"Big Pimpin" elevated Jay:

Yes sir, just the sound of his voice is a hit
Y'all nikkaz got me really confused out there
I make 'Big Pimpin'' or 'Give It To Me' one of those
Y'all hail me as the greatest writer of the 21st century

^^^ Jay Z's own words.


"Gin & Juice" has absolutely no bearing on whether "Drop It Like It's Hot" is seminal or not. Artists can have records that are more seminal than others, but it doesn't mean that the only have one.

Who cares what genre of music you're lumping Stevie J. into. "Notorious Thugs" is a Hip Hop song and the producer got the inspiration from Tim. On top of that, you're harping on the one producer when I listed several from different eras.

This has nothing to do with radio. I'm talking about Hip Hop producers who are crediting Timbaland with influencing their style.

Record company monopolies have nothing to do with lacking a regional sound. They were making a killing when Hip Hop was coastal. There wasn't a need for a West Coast artist to cop a Premo, Pete Rock, or RZA track. The same way, there really wasn't a need for an East Coast artist to cop a track from Dre, Quik, or Daz (even though Nas had Dre on IWW and Dre helped mastermind The Firm). When Timbaland and The Neptunes came through, everybody from all over was hopping on their beats. Being from Virginia had nothing to do with it. There's several producers from Virginia who have sounds that are more regional.

No it's not about who's buying it. Outside of "Sock It 2 Me" and "Hot Boyz", the songs where Missy predominantly sings end up flopping in comparison to songs like "Work It", "Get Ur Freak On" and "Gossip Folks".

lol @ the bolded. PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN. I'm not saying that artists are limited to one seminal record. I was just giving you an example of one. I'm about done here man.

again I ask, how did big pimpin elevate jay. don't give me any silly ass quotes that aren't about anything. do you even know what elevate means?

you weren't mentioning that Memphis stuff until after that thread where dude posted the video. lol. I see you.

I didn't "admit" chit. I said "jigga what" was the closest timbaland came to "no more pain". I didn't see he achieved that mission.

Devante's slow jams had the same mad max sound(as someone described it as on here) that "no more pain" had. I cant break it down any further for you so don't even bother pressing this anymore. just worry about why jodeci's beats were harder than timbaland's.

I'm not harping on one producer. listen man, everybody influences somebody. I'm asking you what is timbaland's big influence outside of radio chit, and you give me a bunch of radio chit. youre a waste.

mainstream hip-hop has been monkey-see/monkey-do ever since all the mergers in the early 20000s.

yes it is about whose buying it. you think the hip-hop crowd are the ones that rushed out to buy "work it" and "gossip folks"? if you truly think that, then we need to stop the conversation right here.

wtf you talking bout?

when east coast producers are in question, theyre dismissed if they don't have the hits, or if you just think they didn't have hits.

dj quik comes up, and youre talking something else. I see you.

 

[Wacky D]

It's funny you're going to criticize someone's list and then list Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound. You're posing questions like what rappers Timbaland and The Neptunes elevate or introduce, but then you go on to list Mannie Fresh and Beats By The Pound except neither of them elevated or introduced anyone who wasn't a part of their own camp. That's the equivalent of me listing Missy Elliott, Petey Pablo, Bubba Sparxxx, and Ms. Jade records (which you would of course dismiss) or Clipse, N.O.R.E., Philly's Most Wanted tracks for The Neptunes.

these are your words that youre denying. then you tried to make it seem like I was the one that said this dumb chit.

this dude @JustCKing is low-key an a$$hole. those polite posters are the main sneaks on the low-low.

and you do this chit all the time in every thread. i don't even think this is the only example in this thread either. SMH.

 

[JustCKing]

YES YOU DID SAY THAT DUMB CHIT.

you want me to go grab the quotes?

I don't intend to be mean and str8 dismiss missy, petey Pablo & bubba sparxxx but be real with the game man. these people aren't factors. what notable rap careers has timbaland anchored? and don't give me people who were already huge. you trying to give timbaland credit for jay-z is embarrassing.

Grab the quotes.

Missy Elliott was a factor whether you want to acknowledge that or not. Again, after "Get Ur Freak On", everybody was hopping on that whole Middle Eastern and Indian bandwagon. That includes Swizz (DMX's "Get It On The Floor") and The Neptunes (N.O.R.E.'s "Nothin'"). He pretty much discovered Ludacris too. "Phat Rabbit" was the first record that Ludacris made that received any attention.

lol @ the bolded. PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN. I'm not saying that artists are limited to one seminal record. I was just giving you an example of one. I'm about done here man.

again I ask, how did big pimpin elevate jay. don't give me any silly ass quotes that aren't about anything. do you even know what elevate means?

you weren't mentioning that Memphis stuff until after that thread where dude posted the video. lol. I see you.

I didn't "admit" chit. I said "jigga what" was the closest timbaland came to "no more pain". I didn't see he achieved that mission.

Devante's slow jams had the same mad max sound(as someone described it as on here) that "no more pain" had. I cant break it down any further for you so don't even bother pressing this anymore. just worry about why jodeci's beats were harder than timbaland's.

I'm not harping on one producer. listen man, everybody influences somebody. I'm asking you what is timbaland's big influence outside of radio chit, and you give me a bunch of radio chit. youre a waste.

mainstream hip-hop has been monkey-see/monkey-do ever since all the mergers in the early 20000s.

yes it is about whose buying it. you think the hip-hop crowd are the ones that rushed out to buy "work it" and "gossip folks"? if you truly think that, then we need to stop the conversation right here.

How is a quote from Jay Z himself silly? . I never mentioned the Memphis because you're in here trying to credit Devante with something that he really had little to do with.

Breh, you admitted that "Jigga What" sounds like "No More Pain". That's all that needs to be said.

You're in here comparing slow jams to "No More Pain" and talking about a "mad max" sound further proving you don't know what you're talking about. Just worry about why no other rappers tapped Devante to produce a single Hip Hop beat for them, but have been tapping Tim to lace them for 20 years.

I just listed Timbaland's big influence outside of radio joints.

Hip Hop at it's core is monkey see monkey do. You're either setting trends or you end up following them, or else you become a has been. In Timbaland's case, he setting trends and many producers hopped on the bandwagon. It wasn't just one or two trends, it was several.

No matter how you try to downplay it, Missy Elliott was indeed a factor:

Many salute Supa Dupa Fly’s impact on Hip Hop and Missy’s solo career. However, Under Construction holds a very special importance of its own. Selling well over three million, the album earned a Grammy nomination for Best Rap Album and Album Of The Year. It couldn’t have dropped at a better time. Missy created the most serious, non-serious rap album that year and commercially solidified herself as a force of her own. For some, Under Construction could potentially serve as her purest rap album to date in the traditional sense.

“Under Construction” Still Stands As Missy Elliott's Funky Love Letter To Hip Hop Over A Decade Later

 

[JustCKing]

these are your words that youre denying. then you tried to make it seem like I was the one that said this dumb chit.

this dude @JustCKing is low-key an a$$hole. those polite posters are the main sneaks on the low-low.

and you do this chit all the time in every thread. i don't even think this is the only example in this thread either. SMH.

Where in the quotes did I say that camps didn't matter?

 

[Wacky D]

missy Elliot. the ruler of hip-hop brehs.

timbaland made jay-z & Ludacris brehs.

Where in the quotes did I say that camps didn't matter?

youre wasting my time.

 

[JustCKing]

missy Elliot. the ruler of hip-hop brehs.

timbaland made jay-z & Ludacris brehs.





youre wasting my time.

Never said Missy Elliott ruled Hip Hop. You don't have to rule anything to be a factor.

Never said Tim made Jay Z or Ludacris either. To say he wasn't a huge part of either of their careers is false though. He had a hand in elevating both.