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I never said those songs weren't loved Down South. The point I'm making here is that nobody is omnipresent (everywhere). Where one person says this song or that song was bigger here another could easily refute it by saying "well, it wasn't in my area". That's the reason why something like a Billboard chart is more tangible because you know they actually measure things like airplay.

My argument doesn't solely rest on a Source ranking, but it's relevant because I was referencing the impact of those beats.

"Money Cash Hoes" was a single. What's funny is that "nikka What, nikka Who" was initially a B-Side to that song, but became a single of it's own and still outperformed the A-side.


bullchit.

a minute ago, you tried to say those songs weren't organic. now youre saying that they were loved.

a billboard chart is not more tangible. people sell for certain reasons. certain singles sell for certain reasons. youre in here comparing the billboard stats of a single designed & pushed for mainstream success to songs that might not have even been singles in the 1st place.

nobody gave a f*ck about some source rankings brehski.

"nika what nikka who" had a video. what part of that don't you understand?
 

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bullchit.

a minute ago, you tried to say those songs weren't organic. now youre saying that they were loved.

a billboard chart is not more tangible. people sell for certain reasons. certain singles sell for certain reasons. youre in here comparing the billboard stats of a single designed & pushed for mainstream success to songs that might not have even been singles in the 1st place.

nobody gave a f*ck about some source rankings brehski.

"nika what nikka who" had a video. what part of that don't you understand?

I said "Money Cash Hoes" wasn't organic. That has no bearing on whether those songs were loved or not.

Yes, a Billboard chart is more tangible. "Money Cash Hoes" was designed and pushed for mainstream success as much as "nikka What, nikka Who". "Money Cash" had it's own CD single which made it eligible to chart. That song was a single. That's a fact. "Jigga My nikka" was a CD single as well. The difference is that song didn't have a vid.
 

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bullchit.

a minute ago, you tried to say those songs weren't organic. now youre saying that they were loved.

a billboard chart is not more tangible. people sell for certain reasons. certain singles sell for certain reasons. youre in here comparing the billboard stats of a single designed & pushed for mainstream success to songs that might not have even been singles in the 1st place.

nobody gave a f*ck about some source rankings brehski.

"nika what nikka who" had a video. what part of that don't you understand?

Jigga my nikka was for the ruff ryders compilation..
It wasnt even for his album...that shyt hit the streets so hard the djs were forced to play it..for a compilation album for an artist who isnt even on the label
nikkas talkin about songs that were strategically placed or designed to be singles..nikka what was a southern sounding beat and it had his artist amil and jaz who he wanted to sign..i would put it on the b side too..:yeshrug:
 

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I said "Money Cash Hoes" wasn't organic. That has no bearing on whether those songs were loved or not.

Yes, a Billboard chart is more tangible. "Money Cash Hoes" was designed and pushed for mainstream success as much as "nikka What, nikka Who". "Money Cash" had it's own CD single which made it eligible to chart. That song was a single. That's a fact. "Jigga My nikka" was a CD single as well. The difference is that song didn't have a vid.


you don't know what organic means.

and like I said, they didn't have a video. and youre too much into charts.

"nikka what nikka who" had a video and it dropped when bone thugs & double-time rap was an automatic money grab.


Jigga my nikka was for the ruff ryders compilation..
It wasnt even for his album...that shyt hit the streets so hard the djs were forced to play it..for a compilation album for an artist who isnt even on the label
nikkas talkin about songs that were strategically placed or designed to be singles..nikka what was a southern sounding beat and it had his artist amil and jaz who he wanted to sign..i would put it on the b side too..:yeshrug:


EXACTLY!!
 
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you don't know what organic means.

and like I said, they didn't have a video. and youre too much into charts.

"nikka what nikka who" had a video and it dropped when bone thugs & double-time rap was an automatic money grab.





EXACTLY!!

I know exactly what organic means. "Jigga My nikka" produced by Swizz Beatz wasn't exactly organic. It was in fact a bigger money grab than "nikka What, nikka Who". Jay Z wasn't even a Ruff Ryder. He and Swizz had a working relationship and Jay was huge at the time and they (Ruff Ryders) pushed a single that didn't even feature their marquee artist at the time (DMX) and it ended up being the biggest song on the compilation. That song was still a single. It not having a video is irrelevant.

Nobody's too much into charts. It's something that backs up what I was claiming. "nikka What, nikka Who" was the B-side to "Money Cash" and it was still bigger so much so that it became a single all on it's own.

Double time rap wasn't an automatic money grab unless you were Bone Thugs N Harmony. Twista and a host of other rappers who used double time flows weren't exactly huge. He was a go-to for guest spots, but his own songs weren't exactly run away hits. You're making excuses.
 

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stopped reading right there.

So you don't have a response?

That song wasn't organic at least not in the way that it was presented. It was a Jay Z single that was used to promote a crew/label that he wasn't even a part of. The single doesn't even have a Ruff Ryder logo, yet it was used to promote the first Ruff Ryders compilation:

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Organic would imply that it was a song that took on a life of it's own so much that the label had no choice, but to make it a single. If anything, "nikka What, nikka Who" was organic in that it was B-side that became a single.
 
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