Timbaland vs. Dre....who shyt ages better?

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This shyt sounds “fresh” and “dope” to y’all

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Classic :whew:



This beat has been :damn: for almost 2 decades. I remember when it came out. and to this day, DJs will toss this in among NEW hip hop records and it's seamless.

Modern rap is a watered down Missy and Timbaland in many respects. I don't even see how this is a discussion. Dre's sound is non-existent in modern rap and really hasn't been relevant since the mid 2000s. At least people will freestyle over Premo/RZA instrumentals now to seem 'lyrical'.
 

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You just chose a random ass Timbaland production that nobody even heard of. That was a throw-a-way/filler beat. :mjlol:

It was on his debut album my bruh..:mjlol:


What’s wrong you not feeling that funk...:lolbron:







:ufdup: This is timeless. & this is just 2 off the top of my head.
Only reason you know they are from the 90's is cause we all know the damn songs.


And actually “try again” sounds very 90s due to the drum pattern and percussion he used on that track .... you are getting caught up in thinking because he’s using a distorted synth lead that it's modern but it’s really not ...nobody uses those sounds anymore especially in modern rnb/pop


Classic records of course ....especially “more than a woman” ...might be my favorite beat from him all time .... :hubie:


I could see someone like Kehlani putting that record out right now and it still being a smash :ohlawd:
 

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You just chose a random ass Timbaland production that nobody even heard of. That was a throw-a-way/filler beat. :mjlol:








:ufdup: This is timeless. & this is just 2 off the top of my head.
Only reason you know they are from the 90's is cause we all know the damn songs.

timeless shyt :wow:

its a crime that this shyt aint on any streaming services :mjcry:
 

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It was on his debut album my bruh..:mjlol:

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Okay? What does it being on his debut album have to do with anything?

Like I said.... That's a random song, that nobody knows. :mjlol:

And actually “try again” sounds very 90s due to the drum pattern and percussion he used on that track .... you are getting caught up in thinking because he’s using a distorted synth lead that it's modern but it’s really not ...nobody uses those sounds anymore especially in modern rnb/pop

I'm not gonna go as far out to say that Timbo created that drum pattern, but he definitely helped popularize it. With that being said, you only associate that pattern with the late 90's/early 2000's because of Timbo.
If Timbo didn't exist, you probably wouldn't think that.
:ehh:


And what do you mean nobody uses those sounds anymore? :hhh: nikkas use any sound when it comes to music production. It's just how they put it all together.
 

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Okay? What does it being on his debut album have to do with anything?

Like I said.... That's a random song, that nobody knows. :mjlol:

It’s his fukking song nikka ... with his production .... “buhh buhhh buhh i don’t know it so it don’t count towards his style only the most popular ones do” :mjlol:



I'm not gonna go as far out to say that Timbo created that drum pattern, but he definitely helped popularize it. With that being said, you only associate that pattern with the late 90's/early 2000's because of Timbo.
If Timbo didn't exist, you probably wouldn't think that.
:ehh:
Credit whoever you need to doesn’t really matter ...it’s dated and sounds like nothing that is modern

Also Rodney Jerkins was doing similar shyt with his drums around the same time

And what do you mean nobody uses those sounds anymore? :hhh: nikkas use any sound when it comes to music production. It's just how they put it all together.
:what:

There are common sounds and production techniques also that define eras musically ...this is obviously obvious ... just like right now producers are on the rythmic 808 wave ... sped up samples were a wave at one point ... double time drums were a wave at one point ... heavy sythizers were a wave at one point etc etc .... if you don’t want to acknowledge that certain sounds are ascribed to certain eras the premise of this thread and you trying to argue one guy as being “more modern” than the other guy is pretty dumb and baseless as it would mean that any song from any era could double as modern and has no sonic watermarks that date its origin ...


We know this is not the case ... and I can prove it by watching you try to explain why track X or track Y sounds less or more modern than something new out today ...don’t see what you are having difficulty comprehending here honestly
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It’s his fukking song nikka ... with his production .... “buhh buhhh buhh i don’t know it so it don’t count towards his style only the most popular ones do” :mjlol:




Credit whoever you need to doesn’t really matter ...it’s dated and sounds like nothing that is modern

Also Rodney Jerkins was doing similar shyt with his drums around the same time


:what:

There are common sounds and production techniques also that define eras musically ...this is obviously obvious ... just like right now producers are on the rythmic 808 wave ... sped up samples were a wave at one point ... double time drums were a wave at one point ... heavy sythizers were a wave at one point etc etc .... if you don’t want to acknowledge that certain sounds are ascribed to certain eras the premise of this thread and you trying to argue one guy as being “more modern” than the other guy is pretty dumb and baseless as it would mean that any song from any era could double as modern and has no sonic watermarks that date its origin ...


We know this is not the case ... and I can prove it by watching you try to explain why track X or track Y sounds less or more modern than something new out today ...don’t see what you are having difficulty comprehending here honestly
:yeshrug:

Rodney Jerkins was biting Tim. In fact, he was Tom's biggest biter.
 

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:what:

There are common sounds and production techniques also that define eras musically ...this is obviously obvious ... just like right now producers are on the rythmic 808 wave ... sped up samples were a wave at one point ... double time drums were a wave at one point ... heavy sythizers were a wave at one point etc etc .... if you don’t want to acknowledge that certain sounds are ascribed to certain eras the premise of this thread and you trying to argue one guy as being “more modern” than the other guy is pretty dumb and baseless as it would mean that any song from any era could double as modern and has no sonic watermarks that date its origin ...


We know this is not the case ... and I can prove it by watching you try to explain why track X or track Y sounds less or more modern than something new out today ...don’t see what you are having difficulty comprehending here honestly
:yeshrug:


:ehh: Solid argument.


But lemme get this straight.....you tellin me, a nikka can't make a modern sounding track in Fruity Loops or whatever these new nikkas use with a Timbaland/Missy Soundkit? :patrice: I'd have to say that's false, and in fact a lot of sounds Timbo was using can be used in this modern era.

I agree that certain era have "sonic watermarks" which is why we are able to tell what era a song came from even without hearing it before. But you can't tell me a nikka can't create something "modern" with old sounds. That's the whole essence of producing and making something unique...taking a little bit from here & there and creating something new.
 

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:ehh: Solid argument.


But lemme get this straight.....you tellin me, a nikka can't make a modern sounding track in Fruity Loops or whatever these new nikkas use with a Timbaland/Missy Soundkit? :patrice: I'd have to say that's false, and in fact a lot of sounds Timbo was using can be used in this modern era.
This is not what I’m saying really ...because in that example it would depend on what pieces and parts/sounds exactly they are using .... Tim has a wide catalogue as you know ... so it would be a question of are they using some obscure bass and then putting hella filters and distortion on it to make it sound way different? See that’s a whole other subject ... that’s like what good sample producers do ... they can take some shyt from the 60’s and make it sound fresh ... but that’s not what I was trying to get at ... I was just saying that whole beat in PARTICULAR sounds like it’s from the 90’s and if someone came out with it today it would be like ohh you’re trying to intentionally do a vintage sound like on some Bruno Mars type shyt ....but that’s why I also said “More Than A Woman” could work today because it sounds closer to what modern Pop/Rnb acts are preforming over nowadays except that that wahhh wahhh sounding synth bass he has on there doubling his regular bass line ... that particular sound was very heavy in the early 2000’s rnb music I think destiny child had something similar on that “No No No No No” remix
 

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the Timbaland sound from the early 00's sounds dated as fukk

That's not the argument. Aging well means it still sounds good years after the fact. Not aging well means it used to sound good, but it sounds garbage now.

Sounding dated doesn't mean it didn't age well. Chronic and much of Dre's earlier work sounds dated. Doesn't mean it doesn't srill sound good. Dated just means that it sounds like it came from a previous era and when compared to a modern sound, it sounds old. It's exremely difficult to call a Timbo production dated when new artists are making hit records out of his beats from nearly 20 years ago.
 

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Does it sound bad or good? What value is having a track that “sounds new” but is shyt?


If you want something from the late 90’s like jigga what I can go




Did that double time shyt and made just as big of a hit



But could timberland switch his entire style and do shyt like this at the same time?






How many times did other producers go back a try to flip these shyts like Dre did years down the road ....

shyt is no contest ... more hits ... more range ... while having more musical staying power per track... Dre the G.O.A.T
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Dre is GOAT, but "Forgot About Dre" came AFTER "Jigga What, Jigga Who" and Eminem even crafted his verse after how Jay flowed on "Jigga What".

In terms of Tim doing something like "Phone Tap" or "Xxplosive", then Lloyd Banks' "I'm So Fly" is an example of that.

I put Dre over Tim and any other Hip Hop producer, but he has less range than Timbo.
 
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