Time for real talk on affirmative action. Indians and Asians about to get that wake up call when the SCOTUS eliminates it.

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Nah,they will allow non AA black people. AA's just arent allowed in because they dont want the cultural influence to rub off. Non AA's seem to be more willing to assimilate,publically at least. AA's better take a page out of that book real fast. The one foot out one foot in game will no longer work imo. No more halfway hanging on to your identity and culture. Your going to have to fully invest in European ideologies and culture,and fully assimilate. No point in resisting when assimilation is inevetiable. Assimilate or leave this country,the options are slim.
 

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Affirmative action is an umbrella term used to define a collection of policies that are meant to bring about inclusion. They can be need based, gender based, race based, etc ...

I sat that just to specify that the only affirmative action policies that are being challenged in court are the race based ones. White women won't be affected by the SCOTUS cases on the docket.
They are not just going to be able to do it on race, because those varied policies arise out of and because of the Civil Rights Act. So they will have to address gender as well, because they can't address some issues that arise under preferences but leave others in tact that are based upon the same premise.. That is why it has to impact White women.
 
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No, this is not true. This case is only challenging race-based AA.
They will not be able to limit it to race. Gender will also have to be addressed. I don't see how they can get around that. That would not even be equal protection under the law.
 

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They are not just going to be able to do it on race, because those varied policies arise out of and because of the Civil Rights Act. So they will have to address gender as well, because they can't address some issues that arise under preferences but leave others in tact that are based upon the same premise.. That is why it has to impact White women.


What do you mean that they won't be able to do it on just race? Not trying to be contentious, I'm asking out of legit curiousity. I get your logical conclusion that if they rule against race based policies then they should also rule against other inclusion policies by that's not the agenda of the heritage foundation.

Groups like the heritage foundation have solely been targeting race based policies for the last 40 years and they haven't levied any cases targeting gender based policies. Being that the heritage foundation also hand picked the last 3 scotus judges while also having Clarence Thomas as an active member within it, I think it's safe to say that they will limit the scope to race based policies.
 

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This thread premise is not true. The real group that is going to suffer if affirmative action is eliminated is White Women. A great number of their gains over the last 60+ years has been due to the Civil Right Act and the off shoots of laws designed to bring equality.

White men intend to put White women back in line to help their incel sons. They want White women barefoot, pregnant and ignorant just like in the old days. They have already taken away their abortion rights so half of the plan is already in order. The next thing to go will be their education and jobs, because White women don't need any of that in order to be in the kitchen baking cookies.
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They will not be able to limit it to race. Gender will also have to be addressed. I don't see how they can get around that. That would not even be equal protection under the law.
Huh? The challengers are specifically trying to undue the use of race as a plus factor in the admissions process by seeking to overturn the court's decision in Grutter v. Bollinger. It will effectively kill race as a consideration while leaving gender and other considerations in the pool. This is all being lead by Edward Blum.
 
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What do you mean that they won't be able to do it on just race? Not trying to be contentious, I'm asking out of legit curiousity. I get your logical conclusion that if they rule against race based policies then they should also rule against other inclusion policies by that's not the agenda of the heritage foundation.

Groups like the heritage foundation have solely been targeting race based policies for the last 40 years and they haven't levied any cases targeting gender based policies. Being that the heritage foundation also hand picked the last 3 scotus judges while also having Clarence Thomas as an active member within it, I think it's safe to say that they will limit the scope to race based policies.
They don't have to levy a case against gender based policies, because those are incorporated within the larger issue of racial equity policies. So the decision would also have to attach to gender based policies: religious based policies and to all other protected classes if those policies were designed to remedy past wrongs.

I realize that this current court consists of a truly wretched group of human beings including a fool whose wife has been linked to an armed insurrection against the United States; two clowns accused of sexual misconduct and three fools whose backgrounds need to be re-reviewed more thoroughly because they were picked for the court by the most corrupt and incompetent President in American history who by the way incited an armed insurrection against his own country and is now facing allegations of espionage. However be that as it may even terrible judges know that a decision in one area has to impact other areas as well if the are based upon the same principles.
 

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Huh? The challengers are specifically trying to undue the use of race as a plus factor in the admissions process by seeking to overturn the court's decision in Grutter v. Bollinger.
I get what the issue is, but the decision would have to also impact other protected classes. This decision would go beyond admissions into universities it would also have to apply to stuff like government set asides for women and minority businesses where White women are cleaning up.
 

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Been said this.

:mjlol: At these Asians who think the Ivy Leagues, which are symbols of American identity and power, are going to allow their schools to have predominantly Asian student bodies.

That's like asking Oxbridge to allow for a predominantly indian student body.

The nerve...

Harvard is a genius at marketing. Although certain metrics may place other schools, such as the UofC or Stanford, ahead of Harvard, Harvard/Yale/Princeton are still seen as the best. And quite naturally, ambitious people are going to want the best. Asians are ambitious and I can't knock their hustle. I wish more black folks had that type of ambition. But the sad part about all of this, and for many second or third generation immigrants, including many West Africans, is that because they are not familiar with the smaller nuances of America and really don't understand it's history, they land here thinking this is an equal society and if you have ambition and hustle, that merit will take you along far. And that may be true up to a certain point. What they don't understand is that America, at its foundations, is founded upon whiteness as a race and it's supremacy. There may be enough Asians and West Africans alone qualified to fill up the entire student bodies of HYP. The fact of the matter, that's not going to happen, because these institutions are synonymous with white American power and prestige, and the administrators and alumni are not going to allow a demographic shift of that nature.

I'm not even sure why "other minorities" was even mentioned in the suit, because they know, as well as everyone else, that the spots that they are jockeying for, are the white students. They are just not ballsy enough to admit it. "Other minorities" is just a scapegoat.

Immigrant communities need to understand that, in this country, they will only be as free as the native black population here. The sooner they rally around our cause and fight for civil rights, the sooner they will start to see more advancements in their own communities. If they continue with trying to "separate" themselves and prop themselves up as "model minorities" to gain white acceptance, they play right into the hands of white supremacy and further systemic inequality.
 

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They will not be able to limit it to race. Gender will also have to be addressed. I don't see how they can get around that. That would not even be equal protection under the law.
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