TIME FOR SOME REAL TALK...

[nineteeneightysix]

Here is the thing,
(1) If me or any other poster say that Lil Reese's "Don't Like" and "Supa Savage" is better than Nas' "Life is Good" and the stuff that Kendrick Lamar, Drake and other more mainstream rappers are releasing...We get labelled trolls, negged, and the thread gets thrown in the bushes...

(2) The reason that most Lyrical Lames ALWAYS give is that "Nas, Kendrick, Drake and etc are so much more lyrically COMPLEX than the Chicago Drill rappers"...And I am okay with people having an opinion...

(3) However, if this opinion of quality being determined by complexity is valid, then why does the Hip Hop community ALWAYS get mad when the Grammys and other prestigious award shows SNUB Hip Hop albums for album of the year accolades...?

(4) If Nas' "Life Is Good" or Jay Z's "Magna Carter" are better than Lil Reese's "Don't Like" just because Jay Z and Nas are more complex lyricists than Lil Reese (lets be honest, the beats Young Chop gave Reese for Don't Like are better than Life Is Good and Magna Carter), then isn't okay to say that genres like Jazz, Rock, Classical are better than Hip Hop just because they are musically more complex...?

(5) Therefore, if we are going to use "complexity" as a standard of quality, then why the hell should ACCOMPLISHED musicians give hip hop ANY respect...

To create a rock album, you need at least 3 musicians to come together, synchronize (which takes hours upon hours of rehearsals), and then you have the technical aspect of tuning the instruments, micing the instruments, and getting the best possible recording...

I love hip hop and I love to make hip hop beats...But all I need is FL Studio and some great sounding VSTs...And that's all you need to be successful in hip hop...

(6) Conclusion, if it is ridiculous for a poster to make a statement like "Lil Reese released the best two albums in MUSIC in the past 5 years, with Don't Like and Supa Savage" then I think it is ridiculous for a rapper to win anything other than best rap album in a prestigious ward show...

Is this a valid argument...?

 

[Him Duncan]

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

your argument is valid, but your examples and comparisons are horrible. it's not just about the depth or the complexity, it's about range of content. drill rappers only rap about drilling. it's one sided and there literally is nothing to it. you could argue the whole "rappers don't rap about anything else besides, money cash and hoes" but that wouldn't be true or fair. you can't compare Lil' Reese's 15 minutes to Nas or Jay's longevity. i see where you are trying to go, but to use Reese as your focal point against true legends was

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

No, because one type of genre being more complex than another isn't what matters. It's about the content. Your average fan gives 2 fukks about the struggles of making music, they just want to hear the shyt.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

your argument is valid, but your examples and comparisons are horrible. it's not just about the depth or the complexity, it's about range of content. drill rappers only rap about drilling. it's one sided and there literally is nothing to it. you could argue the whole "rappers don't rap about anything else besides, money cash and hoes" but that wouldn't be true or fair. you can't compare Lil' Reese's 15 minutes to Nas or Jay's longevity. i see where you are trying to go, but to use Reese as your focal point against true legends was

(1) The examples are ALSO valid for the argument I am making...Because they are the BEST examples to show why "complexity" should NEVER be a valid argument against or for any form of artistic expression...

It is okay for one individual to say "Nas is better than Lil Reese, because Nas is more complex," but that opinion should NOT be valid when we having a GENERAL debate...

(2) Drill Rapping is like an "action movie"...The main characters have accepted their fate...They are savages, and that's how they are going to live...There are some subtle sub-plots, but the main thing is the "action"...That's all I expect from Drill Rappers...

So, an album like Lil Reese's "Don't Like" is a CLASSIC...Because if you want to know what drill rapping is all about, that's the VERY best drill album that has been released to date...10 songs and they are all BANGERS...Period.

Depth and Complexity are not ALWAYS good for artistic expression...Sometimes there is just pure anger and rebellion with NO justification...

It's like blackness in the scientific definition...An absence of colour...Just pure darkness with no complications...That shiit is beautiful in its own right...

(3) I am not arguing HISTORY...I am arguing against the validity of using complexity as a legitimate measure of quality in general debates...It's okay to have that opinion as an individual, because complexity has its own artistic merits, but in a general debate I don't think it is a strong counterpoint...

Lil Reese's "Don't Like" is a CLASSIC because (A) in the context of drill music, that is the best you will get, I have actually had a couple of people ask me "what is that you are playing and can you give me a copy when I play that album" (B) Lil Reese's savage persona is very convincing on that album...

But when you listen to "Life Is Good", do you really feel like celebrating life...? Do you feel like driving around in the summer with top down while smoking a cigar and enjoying and being inspired by all the beautiful colours and bright skies...? When you listen to "Life Is Good" do you feel like your IT certificate, 6 figure salary and a PAWG is all you need in life...? Do you feel like you are WINNING when you listen to "Life Is Good"...?

Put the Nas fanship aside, and just think about how well does that album actually make you feel like life is good...Many people don't get that feeling when they listen to that album...I like some songs here and there, but that album doesn't make me feel like I am WINNING...

And that's why Supa Savage and Don't Like are better albums...They make me feel like joining a street gang even though, I am a 27 year old with a professional career...But Life Is Good doesn't make feel that way, even though, I am REALLY winning in life...

That's the point...Complexity has nothing to do with it...

 

[nineteeneightysix]

No, because one type of genre being more complex than another isn't what matters. It's about the content. Your average fan gives 2 fukks about the struggles of making music, they just want to hear the shyt.

So you do agree with me then...

When you think about it...Nas and Lil Reese are not in the same genre...It's like comparing Nickelback to Yngwie Malmsteen

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

So you do agree with me then...

When you think about it...Nas and Lil Reese are not in the same genre...It's like comparing Nickelback to Yngwie Malmsteen

No nikka because that genre shyt is for simpletons.

If I like some shyt more than some other shyt then it's a better album to me, regardless of the type of content that's being given to me.

 

[Art Barr]

Your post only confirms you don't know about the culture.
As it really is not focused on the actual culture or skill.
from emcees who are culturally sound.
You are making an arguement for rappers who all faked jax and trying to authenticate them culturally and skill wise.
When, all the artist you listed are flawed and expose your lack of knowledge.
As no real bboy with cultural knowledge would sit and try to rationalize what you are attempting to do.
This shyt is some toy shyt, breh.
When you apply yourself and commit to the culture.
You will not sit and ponder these questions.
You will know not try to waste your time on the answers.
Then, let toys do what toys do.
Right now, you are doing what toys do.
You are not committed to this culture and doing what a bboy would do.
You are trying to create a pass system with this thread.
That tries to pander and usurp the culture for a toy based no cultural agenda.
Devoid of the culture and looking to false rationalize, based upon your cultural misunderstanding and the cultural misunderstanding of other toys.
Which is also,...what stans do, who don't know the culture as well.
Plus, what jealous NAS stans have done using the jay revisionist Stan theorem based line of thinking.
skewed in your favor for Reese, instead of NAS.

I recognize it because i am culturally sound and seen any and every type of parallel.
anyone could use as a point of attack to this culture to infiltrate.

Just because you have a structured rant.
does not mean a real bboy will not recognize your propaganda.



Art Barr


Art Barr

 

[intilectual recipricol]

nah eat a dikk patna

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Your post only confirms you don't know about the culture.
As it really is not focused on the actual culture or skill.
from emcees who are culturally sound.
You are making an arguement for rappers who all faked jax and trying to authenticate them culturally and skill wise.
When, all the artist you listed are flawed and expose your lack of knowledge.
As no real bboy with cultural knowledge would sit and try to rationalize what you are attempting to do.
This shyt is some toy shyt, breh.
When you apply yourself and commit to the culture.
You will not sit and ponder these questions.
You will know not try to waste your time on the answers.
Then, let toys do what toys do.
Right now, you are doing what toys do.
You are not committed to this culture and doing what a bboy would do.
You are trying to create a pass system with this thread.
That tries to pander and usurp the culture for a toy based no cultural agenda.
Devoid of the culture and looking to false rationalize, based upon your cultural misunderstanding and the cultural misunderstanding of other toys.
Which is also,...what stans do, who don't know the culture as well.
Plus, what jealous NAS stans have done using the jay revisionist Stan theorem based line of thinking.
skewed in your favor for Reese, instead of NAS.

I recognize it because i am culturally sound and seen any and every type of parallel.
anyone could use as a point of attack to this culture to infiltrate.

Just because you have a structured rant.
does not mean a real bboy will not recognize your propaganda.



Art Barr


Art Barr

All those words, and I have NO clue of what you are going on about...

My points are valid...

Since you talking so much about culture, you need to familiarize yourself with the concept of cultural relativism...Lil Reese's music can ONLY be judged according to the Drill sub-culture...

The album "Don't Like" is the BEST that Drill Music has to offer...While Jay Z's "Magna Carter" and Nas "Life Is Good" are not even the best examples of "High Fashion Hip Hop" culture...

In that since, "Don't Like" is BETTER than both albums...But only person who understands cultural relativism can see the point I am trying to make...

 

[Art Barr]

All those words, and I have NO clue of what you are going on about...

My points are valid...

Since you talking so much about culture, you need to familiarize yourself with the concept of cultural relativism...Lil Reese's music can ONLY be judged according to the Drill sub-culture...

The album "Don't Like" is the BEST that Drill Music has to offer...While Jay Z's "Magna Carter" and Nas "Life Is Good" are not even the best examples of "High Fashion Hip Hop" culture...

In that since, "Don't Like" is BETTER than both albums...But only person who understands cultural relativism can see the point I am trying to make...

I know you won't understand.
this thread is of the same wack offbrand bullshyt.
Like your comments on fukkin boosie and crime , goofie.

I don't even fukk With Boosie at all.
So, I know you a offbrand goofie lame from those comments, alone.



Art Barr

 

[mortuus est]

And that's why Supa Savage and Don't Like are better albums...They make me feel like joining a street gang even though, I am a 27 year old with a professional career..

.

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

nikka it's crimuh eve who gives a fukk

 

[Jhoon]

I would expect complex or slate to write a 500 + word essay comparing nas to lil reese. its the epitome of cultural ambivalence.

 

[Pop123]

lol @ throwing drake's name in the mix with nasir,