TIME FOR SOME REAL TALK...

[Art Barr]

I would expect complex or slate to write a 500 + word essay comparing nas to lil reese. its the epitome of cultural ambivalence.

he does not get that at all whatsoever.......
he misses a lot when it comes to things of this nature....

peep his offbrand comments in the boosie thread, for more relevance.


art barr

 

[Plexxx]

all this for lil reese?

 

[Jhoon]

lol @ throwing drake's name in the mix with nasir,

shyt, why not
theres nothing better than comparing opposing ideas like a 3 year old smashes his toy truck against a barbie doll. some folks clearly are predisposed to certain shananigans.

 

[FreshAIG]

Basically you're saying "Reese Don't Like is better because I like the beats more". Good for you.

You could've saved yourself a lot of typing

 

[FreshAIG]

all this for lil reese?

These nikkas is fukking weirdos my G

 

[ThaRealness]

Your post only confirms you don't know about the culture.
As it really is not focused on the actual culture or skill.
from emcees who are culturally sound.
You are making an arguement for rappers who all faked jax and trying to authenticate them culturally and skill wise.
When, all the artist you listed are flawed and expose your lack of knowledge.
As no real bboy with cultural knowledge would sit and try to rationalize what you are attempting to do.
This shyt is some toy shyt, breh.
When you apply yourself and commit to the culture.
You will not sit and ponder these questions.
You will know not try to waste your time on the answers.
Then, let toys do what toys do.
Right now, you are doing what toys do.
You are not committed to this culture and doing what a bboy would do.
You are trying to create a pass system with this thread.
That tries to pander and usurp the culture for a toy based no cultural agenda.
Devoid of the culture and looking to false rationalize, based upon your cultural misunderstanding and the cultural misunderstanding of other toys.
Which is also,...what stans do, who don't know the culture as well.
Plus, what jealous NAS stans have done using the jay revisionist Stan theorem based line of thinking.
skewed in your favor for Reese, instead of NAS.

I recognize it because i am culturally sound and seen any and every type of parallel.
anyone could use as a point of attack to this culture to infiltrate.

Just because you have a structured rant.
does not mean a real bboy will not recognize your propaganda.



Art Barr


Art Barr

 

[MartyMcFly]

I THINK I see what you're trying to say as far as music evoking a feeling in you and you liking Reese more than Nas because of it but hip hop is about more than dope beats. Life is Good gives me a certain feeling when listening to it and while it may not be the same feeling it evokes in you, it DOES make me feel good about life and about where I am in life at 27. Hip Hop is about beats AND rhymes, not just beats. If you like Reese over Nas then that's good breh but you can't expect a board full of hip hop heads, dudes who grew up listening to rappers who pushed the game lyrically, to agree with you when you say one guy who isn't that dope lyrically is better than a guy who is a living legend, whether you agree with it or not

 

[Art Barr]

preciate it,...handshake!

art barr

 

[Art Barr]

These nikkas is fukking weirdos my G

what's funny is all these little nikkaz like that.
who lack knowledge of self.
on top of listening to rap with no knowledge of the culture.
will try to authenticate this same bullshyt in the real world.
like they know what the fukk they are talembout.
when any real bboy,..knows little nikkaz like that don't know a cot damn thing.


art barr

 

[ThaRealness]

Trap music as a template has too many limitations. Its like pop music in that way. Not worthless but just... artistically limited

 

[How Sway?]

you cant compare other genre's to hip hop breh. Not to sound like a purist but, MCing is one of the pinnacles Hip hop. point blank period. Production is important but if you're wack, with good production you're just a novelty rapper IMO.

So Comparing rock&roll or any other genre to hip hop is pointless because even though (for example) most rock singers might not use complex lyrics and methaphors in their music..
you still need some talent to make good rock music like being able to actually SING, playing an instrument, singing WHILE playing an instrument, and other aspects.

same shyt applies to most other genres, you still need to be talented to make other genres of music whether it requires playing an instrument or singing.


With hop hop, being a producer definitely requires some talent, but let be 1000% real, rapping, especially on a basic, aint that hard.

So if you cant at least step up the lyrics, there really aint no point in comparing you with dudes who actually took time to push the bar lyrically in this genre making hiphop a respectable genre withing the music community.

 

[Art Barr]

Trap music as a template has too many limitations. Its like pop music in that way. Not worthless but just... artistically limited

it isn't the actual genre or the sonic soundscape or pallet.
it is the rappers, who rap on the shyt.
in general are offkey and technically inferior skillwise.
trap ain't nuffin but horror core, of the urban gangsta rap variety based on:

bone/dj uneek
old ny beat'em up bully two to three syllable rap outdated rap
west coast shop/ghetto whistle based music with arppeg
pac
twista/snypaz = smoke and ride melodic hook driven music
TI using the amalgamated triple 6 brand of music
soul sampling, etc.

trap music is not limited the artist who generally make it are limited.
it is a horror genre, that can touch on anything from violence to social commentary.

the artist just are not skilled or well versed to generally do more...
that is the issue.



art barr

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

(1) The examples are ALSO valid for the argument I am making...Because they are the BEST examples to show why "complexity" should NEVER be a valid argument against or for any form of artistic expression...

It is okay for one individual to say "Nas is better than Lil Reese, because Nas is more complex," but that opinion should NOT be valid when we having a GENERAL debate...

(2) Drill Rapping is like an "action movie"...The main characters have accepted their fate...They are savages, and that's how they are going to live...There are some subtle sub-plots, but the main thing is the "action"...That's all I expect from Drill Rappers...

So, an album like Lil Reese's "Don't Like" is a CLASSIC...Because if you want to know what drill rapping is all about, that's the VERY best drill album that has been released to date...10 songs and they are all BANGERS...Period.

Depth and Complexity are not ALWAYS good for artistic expression...Sometimes there is just pure anger and rebellion with NO justification...

It's like blackness in the scientific definition...An absence of colour...Just pure darkness with no complications...That shiit is beautiful in its own right...

(3) I am not arguing HISTORY...I am arguing against the validity of using complexity as a legitimate measure of quality in general debates...It's okay to have that opinion as an individual, because complexity has its own artistic merits, but in a general debate I don't think it is a strong counterpoint...

Lil Reese's "Don't Like" is a CLASSIC because (A) in the context of drill music, that is the best you will get, I have actually had a couple of people ask me "what is that you are playing and can you give me a copy when I play that album" (B) Lil Reese's savage persona is very convincing on that album...

But when you listen to "Life Is Good", do you really feel like celebrating life...? Do you feel like driving around in the summer with top down while smoking a cigar and enjoying and being inspired by all the beautiful colours and bright skies...? When you listen to "Life Is Good" do you feel like your IT certificate, 6 figure salary and a PAWG is all you need in life...? Do you feel like you are WINNING when you listen to "Life Is Good"...?

Put the Nas fanship aside, and just think about how well does that album actually make you feel like life is good...Many people don't get that feeling when they listen to that album...I like some songs here and there, but that album doesn't make me feel like I am WINNING...

And that's why Supa Savage and Don't Like are better albums...They make me feel like joining a street gang even though, I am a 27 year old with a professional career...But Life Is Good doesn't make feel that way, even though, I am REALLY winning in life...

That's the point...Complexity has nothing to do with it...

i'll just let you have your purely subjective experience with Drill music to justify all of this. all these "savages" from the Chi aren't the first to accept their fate on wax and bluntly address the realities of it with their flow. it just so happens that it's the hottest thing in the streets right now. you feel how you feel about it and it will be validated by your own experience. just know, this is a hip hop forum where complexities are debated and argued everyday, so the context of where you searched for validity outside of your own experience was already set up to fail.

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

you also could've just said "i'm a 27 year old professional who questions why i'm gravitating towards drill music and feel it more than what is considered high quality hip hop"

nobody would judge you, but the fact that you're trying to articulate something that doesn't need it makes it more questionable.