Times When Vince Mcmahon was Right

[dbp]

I know people shyt on Russo alot but I have a hunch that he might be right about Vince. He said that Vince was never really a big picture type of guy. His strength was taking something established, making one small tweak that no one else thought of, which amplified it ten-fold. The little details.

And there's nothing wrong with that either, sometimes those little tweaks are everything.

Just shyt I pick up from various shoot interviews when wrestlers talk about Vince helping them with their characters.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Where did all the Ryder hate come from? No one expected him to be a World Champion but he was an over midcarder with momentum and a large following. A guy like that is always valuable to a roster. Also Ryder's burial is one of the reasons why few people nowadays have the motivation to get over by themselves.

Eh, I think the Ryder hate comes from a mixture of WWE sabotaging his career on purpose (trying to get over solo dolo) and just all around not having much of the look which goes back to the first thing I said. Ryder in general was a top teir midcarder at best. WWE should have just embrace the movement but tone down his heat a bit for realistic purposes. The Ryder experiment along with everything in 2011 should have shot the WWE to a new age where they are actually in touch with the times. To this very day, I'm trying to figure out why they dropped the fukking ball on such a movement . They had MLB doing the Yes chants and etc, but they don't want to expand beyond their carny code

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

I know people shyt on Russo alot but I have a hunch that he might be right about Vince. He said that Vince was never really a big picture type of guy. His strength was taking something established, making one small tweak that no one else thought of, which amplified it ten-fold. The little details.

And there's nothing wrong with that either, sometimes those little tweaks are everything.

Just shyt I pick up from various shoot interviews when wrestlers talk about Vince helping them with their characters.

Exactly. Take Luke Harper for instance. Dude looked at Vince like "you really want me to go out there with a fake hammer". Next thing he knew, that shyt worked . Vince may be out of touch with reality, but lets face it, dude's gimmick game is bar none. Brodus Clay was going to be one of those "killer" wrestlers because of NXT. Vince was like "nah pal...we calling your momma". Next thing you know, dude was a household name and Naomi ended up getting a big break (Cameron not so much). Once Clay got the boot, he just ended up in a indie void because he wasn't hitting during his Impact days.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I know people shyt on Russo alot but I have a hunch that he might be right about Vince. He said that Vince was never really a big picture type of guy. His strength was taking something established, making one small tweak that no one else thought of, which amplified it ten-fold. The little details.

And there's nothing wrong with that either, sometimes those little tweaks are everything.

Just shyt I pick up from various shoot interviews when wrestlers talk about Vince helping them with their characters.

Vince mostly cared about the top guys. Russo wanted to make sure everyone had something to do. Right now they could use a lot of that. They’ve got wrestlers on the roster, wrestlers who are active every other night or so, who have no real stories going for them. A whole women’s division and only three of them have stories right now. Three. Another two have stories connected to their husbands. That’s it.

Tag division? Nothing. No stories. No shyt.

The intercontinental belt has been held hostage by the same three guys for almost three months. The US title is in some weird three way with at least one guy who doesn’t give a shyt about it nor does he need it.

Either there’s too many wrestlers or too many people who don’t care what to do with them

 

[stro]

respect his business and finesse game but as a wrestling mind I’m sorry he’s shown to be no better than anyone else.

he wasn’t behind hogan, he wasn’t behind austin, he wasn’t behind rock, he wasn’t behind the attitude era... these things may have happened under his watch but most of the best things you associate with the company he had no hand in creatively. time and time again we hear shoot interviews about vince being completely clueless when it came to developing characters and such. do i have to mention chilly mcfreeze and ice daggar?

he’s a boss no doubt and his vision for the business was next level and no one can ever take that away from him... but it’s no surprise that as vince has seized more creative control over the entire production with less input from actual wrestling people the quality of the product has fukkin tanked.

He wasn't behind Hogan, the guy he immediately wanted as soon as he bought the company from his dad and had a falling out with his nearing death father over immediately giving him the title and building an entire DECADE around him?

He wasn't behind Austin, the guy he didn't see much in because he had been made a joke by the time he left WCW but within 6 months was positioning him to be the anchor of the company, who has been made sure to be called the greatest WWE Superstar of all time over and over and over for nearly 20 years now, who he took countless ass beatings from and spent 80% of his screen time with?


He wasn't behind Rock, who he personally knew Rock's entire life, had his right hand man train, gave him tons of TV for sure before he was ready, pushed him even though the fans weren't into him, and then made him the biggest star to ever come out of the industry and one of the biggest stars in ANY medium?

Spoiler

 

[WMG the 2nd]

He was right to keep miz around through his green years. Most logical heads would have cut miz early because he stunk. Even through his years with John Morrison he just look and felt like a hanger on. Miz stepped up and has been a steady workhorse and one of the best mic workers in Wwe history.

And he was right to give Vickie Guerrero a job and she became one of the greatest heel figures they ever made that wasn’t a McMahon or related/close to

 

[Sir Charles Barkley]

He wasn't behind Hogan, the guy he immediately wanted as soon as he bought the company from his dad and had a falling out with his nearing death father over immediately giving him the title and building an entire DECADE around him?

He wasn't behind Austin, the guy he didn't see much in because he had been made a joke by the time he left WCW but within 6 months was positioning him to be the anchor of the company, who has been made sure to be called the greatest WWE Superstar of all time over and over and over for nearly 20 years now, who he took countless ass beatings from and spent 80% of his screen time with?


He wasn't behind Rock, who he personally knew Rock's entire life, had his right hand man train, gave him tons of TV for sure before he was ready, pushed him even though the fans weren't into him, and then made him the biggest star to ever come out of the industry and one of the biggest stars in ANY medium?

Spoiler

yea u reachin

all you’re arguing is that he gave them a platform, nobody is denying that.

he didn’t come up with the characters.

 

[CM_Burns]

It's hard to say when he's right about someone not being a star/draw, because for the last 10 years it's nearly impossible to be a star/draw outside of being positioned as one by WWE.

 

[stro]

yea u reachin

all you’re arguing is that he gave them a platform, nobody is denying that.

he didn’t come up with the characters.

And what you said was that he wasn't behind the 3 biggest stars he's ever had, despite heavily promoting them and pushing them to those spots, poaching Hogan from Verne AND Inoki, restructuring the entire direction of the company around Austin, and naming a show after Rock while he was an active wrestler not even at his peak yet and the show still carried the name 19 years later.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

Hold a ppv on a Tuesday brehs

 

[Breh Obama]

Vince was right when he created Wrestlemania

 

[jadillac]

I think he's mentally stuck in the 80's.

Hogan
Cena
REIGNS

He wants to tell that same story again and everyone hates it. Bit bc it worked with Cena despite the boos, he wants to force it again with Roman.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

I think he's mentally stuck in the 80's.

Hogan
Cena
REIGNS

He wants to tell that same story again and everyone hates it. Bit bc it worked with Cena despite the boos, he wants to force it again with Roman.

To be fair, the 80s was probably the safest time for him. Think about it, if Vince had it his way, he probably would bring back the Attitude Era due to how successful it was to the company, but the share holders wouldn't let that shyt fly. Hence, why he's constantly trying to restore the feeling without going full balls out with the raunchiness that most fans miss. It's safer to book a superhero than an antihero, even though we as wrestling heads crave a good antihero. Maybe Braun got the juice to be such things since HE WAS SUCH A THING, yet with the WWE booking, it's all on a constant bet on Reigns crap game even though it's not flying at all

 

[stro]

I think he's mentally stuck in the 80's.

Hogan
Cena
REIGNS

He wants to tell that same story again and everyone hates it. Bit bc it worked with Cena despite the boos, he wants to force it again with Roman.

It's not even that, that's how his dad booked for 20 years before him, too. WWE has always been built around a super face with the super push, back to the Capitol Wrestling days. There have been periods where a heel led things for a while, or a couple of faces carried the load, but those are aberrations in the timeline.

 

[RammerJammer]

Releasing Damien Sandow, he was exposed heavily in other companies.