Title runs no one remembers

[Jmare007]

Bullshyt

HHH's clean wins over foley MADE him

Orton's clean win over foley MADE him

Lesnar's clean wins over Undertaker/Rock/Hogan MADE him

Jay Lethal just became a legit main eventer by beating Jay Briscoe CLEAN in the middle of the ring

Owens was on his way to being made after that first CLEAN win over Cena

This is a competitive sport, every heel does nit need to be a p*ssy chickenshyt

Didn't Rollins beat his biggest rival (Ambrose) in a the feud ender CLEAN?

Not saying Seth has been booked well, but all I know is that he's one of the big reasons I haven't been able to come back watching weekly. He hasn't been able to pull off the chickenshyt heel gimmick. For all the flaws Punk had as a heel champ, he at least made it worthwhile watching him. I'm still waiting for Seth to turn so he can work as a he should and not try to be Triple H 2.0

 

[Jmare007]

Before even seeing this I just edited in saying that, and I said it in an earlier reply as well. Seth will do well when he can be fun and do all his crazy shyt in the ring, but that's because he's one dimensional and lacks charisma. If Dean was in his position, he'd be making this work like a motherfukker right now. Seth just doesn't have what it takes to be the top heel in a company.

But, at the end of the day, it means he's flopped because he's not that good. If he was THAT good he'd make something out of whatever was handed to him, and being the world champ with TV time out the ass and winning feuds is hardly the short end of the stick.

I agree with everything you've said about Seth but I'm not buying Dean Ambrose doing better than Rollins in his spot.

Not sure how Ambrose fits as an "Authority pet" chickenshyt heel and how me makes it works. Besides, he's just as hit or miss as Rollins in the ring. I wouldn't count on him being ready for THAT kind of role.

Though the bar is low though, when I saw Battleground and Seth came out to legit SILENCE I was

 

[Cartier Murphy]

Some of the Attitude era runs. So much hot potatoing of the belts it's hard to remember who some of the champs were without googling it.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

I agree with everything you've said about Seth but I'm not buying Dean Ambrose doing better than Rollins in his spot.

Not sure how Ambrose fits as an "Authority pet" chickenshyt heel and how me makes it works. Besides, he's just as hit or miss as Rollins in the ring. I wouldn't count on him being ready for THAT kind of role.

Though the bar is low though, when I saw Battleground and Seth came out to legit SILENCE I was

I think he'd kill it. Dean as an authority backed heel could be like heel Austin. That paranoia and desperation to be the champ and the willingness to take any shortcut to take it.

 

[luckyse7enz]

Just remember how great of a job him and Del Rio did when he lost it in their match at Payback.

Add Del Rio's WWE title reigns to the list too. I remember him having a million matches with Sheamus over the World title, but barely remember what happened in the time where he had the top belt.

Quiet as kept though.....











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...but shyt happens.

 

[Sypress]

Bret's first title run and both runs in WCW

 

[dh86]

Bruh, heels don't win clean, and they shouldn't. It's the oldest fukking convention in wrestling. Exactly who did Hollywood Hogan beat clean? Corporate Rock? Evolution HHH beat people clean and look how terrible that run was. Every great heel in wrestling "won like a p*ssy" that's why you boo them. Ministry Taker won with help, DX Shawn, Ric with the Horsemen, Power Trip Austin literally we can go on for a million years with this.

Of course heels have won clean. Seth problem is that every single month he tries to weasel his way out of defending the title whether it's against Orton, Ambrose, Lesnar, Cena and is eventually forced to fight and goes and begs the authority to help him. Every single fukking time. HHH never bytched out like that, as a heel champ he at least acted like he wanted to fight and had his backup "just in case". Seth is essentially the Honky Tonk Man who spent a year and a half getting DQed and counted out in a horrible title reign.

 

[dh86]

Bullshyt

HHH's clean wins over foley MADE him

Orton's clean win over foley MADE him

Lesnar's clean wins over Undertaker/Rock/Hogan MADE him

Jay Lethal just became a legit main eventer by beating Jay Briscoe CLEAN in the middle of the ring

Owens was on his way to being made after that first CLEAN win over Cena

This is a competitive sport, every heel does nit need to be a p*ssy chickenshyt

The biggest lie ever told in pro wrestling is that wins and losses doesn't matter.

 

[dh86]

People complaining about Seth not winning clean... Is he suppose to? Last i checked heels are suppose to cheat, they're suppose to look like little cowards. He's suppose to be hated and it's working. He's been a great champion.

Post proof of Brock Lesnar being a coward during his title run.

 

[prophecypro]

Kofi and Punk being tag team champs and Hogan and Edge having the belts for like a week

 

[Messiah]

Post proof of Brock Lesnar being a coward during his title run.

Never said Brock was, I said they're suppose to be booked that way.

 

[WOAHMYGOODNESS]

Yeah bryans wwe title reignwas one of the worst too
One of the goat mania moments followed by an awful reign

 

[dh86]

Never said Brock was, I said they're suppose to be booked that way.

It took away from the buildup to his matches against Cena and Reigns that he didn't run from them and try to beg off the match from happening? I'm taking notes here

 

[Cartier Murphy]

Yeah bryans wwe title reignwas one of the worst too
One of the goat mania moments followed by an awful reign

Felt like they were trying rehash that garbage Kane/Zack Ryder feud.

Minus the wheelchair antics.

 

[TrueEpic08]

Jim Ross has been harping about this on his podcast. It doesn't matter whether the heel cheats, it matters that he is a villain.

Villains are credible threats, and Seth Rollins has lost his credibility as a threat to the babyfaces; i.e. the heroes.

There are many ways to act villainous, but every wrestler in contention must be booked credibly.

The biggest lie ever told in pro wrestling is that wins and losses doesn't matter.

Both of these are true, and I can't understand why people don't get this unless you've never been exposed to sport a day in your life.

Tell me, why the fukk should I care about a champion that can't beat a JTTS without help, consistently keeps his belts on flukes (all of you people calling Seth's ladder match win against Dean need to seriously stop. That's about as much of a fluke win as I've ever seen, so calling it clean in this context is facetious at best) and technicalities and gets beat by the walking Benny Hill skits known as J and J Security?

It's simulated sport. At least kinda try to book your champion like he's the champion of a sporting organization.