TN Repub state Senator wants to tie welfare benefits to kids' academic performance

[Brown_Pride]

Are you going to make the kid's nutritional needs dependent on this mother?

...wait what?
Are you trolling?
You do know the kid's nutritional needs ARE dependent on the mother, even WITH foodstamps. Do you know how many people get assistance and sell that shyt for drugs? Did you really just say this? If not on the mother than who is responsible for the child's needs?

 

[88m3]

This thread is a few eugenics quotes away from gold...

 

[Brown_Pride]

now i'm convinced you're trolling

If you have to worry about keeping your kid "passing" even with the parents there holding their hands that's not always the case or the reality. Why are there parents in this position? How many children do that have? If that's their only incentive to get what they "need".... I just don't see it being a positive force in driving them to do something with their own lives.

do you see forever giving them free food as an incentive?

Who is responsible for the education of a child?

They aren't doing whatever they want lmao. Is that what you think school is? Doing whatever you want? Some of the best things I could have possibly learned were by pushing myself outside of my boundaries and first hand experiences. You can teach anyone to replicate something but can they make anything for themselves?

gotta be honest i'm not really even sure wtf you're talking about at this point in time
Like it or not kids don't always make the best of choices, that's what parents are supposed to be there for. To guide them. What role do parents play in your version of parenting? Food, shelter, bus money?


Do you have kids?

 

[Will Ross]

In what world did you grow up in that a parent did not help a child out with their home work?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I'm sorry I'm going to have to skip over all of y'all cause you're still missing key points:

- Its nice we've talked about the difference between % of a population under welfare and total #

- its the nyquil kicking in, but I can't find the 185% of the FPL (thats tennessee's welfare threshold)

- have we looked into the characteristics of the adults eligible for welfare? These characteristics include: age, sex, marital status, employment status. Each one of these characteristics adds a variable to the equation. Y'all can extrapolate it from there. I really want y'all to key in on marital status and employment status. Because those can be key indicators of a broken home and instability. Which leads too.....

- have we looked into the key indicators of at risk students? What is the current rate of high school drop outs in TN? Can we find a correlation between that current rate, and their previous grades (obviously the grades that the law affects).

I say all this to say, if that TN lawmaker doesn't have the stats or a shell analysis to answer those questions, he's a fraud. fukk the actual law, its time we start making lawmakers stand behind the analytical work that makes them think they should put a law into action. Because right now, he has no reference to know if the law is working or not. He's going to use some bland ass regents report or state testing guide and say "see I bring results, make me a US Senator."

- I'm sure that more liberals are upset that there efforts are toward putting forth a way to punish and cut, instead of foster and build. Why not put your efforts into an at risk educational policy. Which leads to my last comment........

- Its obvious this is all about getting that Race to the Top money. Boost graduation rates. Thats all its about. This isn't part of some comprehensive plan, thats what y'all are missing. This is the first and last step and its not to help kids. It was a reaction to realizing 90million dollars is available and that "lazy" "irresponsible" parents could keep them from it.

You know that man doesn't relate to 185% of the FPL. Don't even play into it. It already got us bickering and throwing stereotypes out. Just call him out on his bullshyt. He has no plan.

 

[Robbie3000]

...wait what?
Are you trolling?
You do know the kid's nutritional needs ARE dependent on the mother, even WITH foodstamps. Do you know how many people get assistance and sell that shyt for drugs? Did you really just say this? If not on the mother than who is responsible for the child's needs?

Let me rephrase. Are you going to let the children's access to food dependent on that particular mother's ability to motivate her kids to do well in school?

 

[Crakface]

Lotta white trash bout to lose their benefits.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Let me rephrase. Are you going to let the children's access to food dependent on that particular mother's ability to motivate her kids to do well in school?

Yes. I'm going to place the responsibility on a mother to feed her kids.
Do you have problem with that. Who's responsibility is it to feed their kids?

If they cannot feed them then maybe they shouldn't have them no? Isn't that how it normally works?

 

[Brown_Pride]

I'm sorry I'm going to have to skip over all of y'all cause you're still missing key points:

- Its nice we've talked about the difference between % of a population under welfare and total #

- its the nyquil kicking in, but I can't find the 185% of the FPL (thats tennessee's welfare threshold)

- have we looked into the characteristics of the adults eligible for welfare? These characteristics include: age, sex, marital status, employment status. Each one of these characteristics adds a variable to the equation. Y'all can extrapolate it from there. I really want y'all to key in on marital status and employment status. Because those can be key indicators of a broken home and instability. Which leads too.....

- have we looked into the key indicators of at risk students? What is the current rate of high school drop outs in TN? Can we find a correlation between that current rate, and their previous grades (obviously the grades that the law affects).

I say all this to say, if that TN lawmaker doesn't have the stats or a shell analysis to answer those questions, he's a fraud. fukk the actual law, its time we start making lawmakers stand behind the analytical work that makes them think they should put a law into action. Because right now, he has no reference to know if the law is working or not. He's going to use some bland ass regents report or state testing guide and say "see I bring results, make me a US Senator."

- I'm sure that more liberals are upset that there efforts are toward putting forth a way to punish and cut, instead of foster and build. Why not put your efforts into an at risk educational policy. Which leads to my last comment........

- Its obvious this is all about getting that Race to the Top money. Boost graduation rates. Thats all its about. This isn't part of some comprehensive plan, thats what y'all are missing. This is the first and last step and its not to help kids. It was a reaction to realizing 90million dollars is available and that "lazy" "irresponsible" parents could keep them from it.

You know that man doesn't relate to 185% of the FPL. Don't even play into it. It already got us bickering and throwing stereotypes out. Just call him out on his bullshyt. He has no plan.

No this is not a comprehensive plan, that doesn't make it a bad idea.
I'm sure it's designer didn't have the students in his mind when he wrote it...that doesn't make it a bad idea. Everything you stated does not make this idea a bad one.

 

[theworldismine13]

Yes. I'm going to place the responsibility on a mother to feed her kids.
Do you have problem with that. Who's responsibility is it to feed their kids?

If they cannot feed them then maybe they shouldn't have them no? Isn't that how it normally works?

yo motherfukers get so caught up in abstract political theory they lose touch with reality

they get the look at mentioning the fact that parents are responsible for feeding their children and their education

 

[GoPro]

No this is not a comprehensive plan, that doesn't make it a bad idea.
I'm sure it's designer didn't have the students in his mind when he wrote it...that doesn't make it a bad idea. Everything you stated does not make this idea a bad one.

yo motherfukers get so caught up in abstract political theory they lose touch with reality

they get the look at mentioning the fact that parents are responsible for feeding their children and their education

Nah yall. Men only gotta squirt in the women. Women only gotta squirt the little miscreant out. After that, its the government's responsibility to take over. Thats the liberal mindset. Cradle to grave.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

No this is not a comprehensive plan, that doesn't make it a bad idea.
I'm sure it's designer didn't have the students in his mind when he wrote it...that doesn't make it a bad idea. Everything you stated does not make this idea a bad one.

a non comprehensive plan including 120k families isn't a bad idea???

because he said, "your child should not be getting D's" you're accepting it as a good "idea"? this is a half assed idea

whatever, y'all can continue arguing over something you'll never be able to prove....enjoy your circular conversation full of personal anecdotes

Y'all are arguing three things: the relation between the child, adult & educational system....I can't wait to wake up in the morning and hear everyone's personal parenting and childhood tips. Falling into an ideological trap. No substance in this conversation whatsoever.

 

[Serious]

You dudes need to start taking pointers from asian/indian parents with regards to grades. If I brought home a fukking "B-" in elementary school I had bruises all over my body the next day.

It might be a bit extreme, but sometimes you need to make a point.

Same here bro, I got my ass tore up, if I brought back a C.

 

[Brown_Pride]

a non comprehensive plan including 120k families isn't a bad idea???

because he said, "your child should not be getting D's" you're accepting it as a good "idea"? this is a half assed idea

whatever, y'all can continue arguing over something you'll never be able to prove....enjoy your circular conversation full of personal anecdotes

Y'all are arguing three things: the relation between the child, adult & educational system....I can't wait to wake up in the morning and hear everyone's personal parenting and childhood tips. Falling into an ideological trap. No substance in this conversation whatsoever.

what comprehensive plan will ever exist? None. That's a problem. This does something, which IMHO is better than nothing. Like Obamacare, it's a move in the right direction, not a complete solution.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Same here bro, I got my ass tore up, if I brought back a C.

nah son that's child abuse lol