To Increase Equity, School Districts Eliminate Honors Classes

[Software]

this is stupid...are they gonna cut AP classes next? it usually the same (types of) students going from honors classes to APs

Instead of teaching their kids early to get em a head start so they end up in honors classes they do this. I was in honors and AP classes the majority of those kids weren't even gifted. They just were taught the basic material earlier in life so they were ahead. Parents were involved in their studying and getting them advantages.
I know you were too, you know the kids I'm talking about

 

[Wildhundreds]

What resources? At least at my high school, the only difference between AP and non-AP classes was the curriculum, the textbooks and different teachers for some.

Right.. I went to school with smart kids that had AP classes, and we sat ate lunch and played sports together. This is what happens when everyone is a winner backfires. Raise your fcking kids and this is a none issue.

 

[Matriarchy Refugee]

That has literally jack shyt to do with anything I wrote about. Your entire argument is based on your assumption of a false talking point.






Screaming, "Do better Black people!" obviously is not a realistic way forward. So what is your actual solution? Because you're not proposing one.

I don't reject your way of doing school because I think Black kids need their hands held. I reject it because it verifiably doesn't work. And it doesn't have jack shyt to do with race - I've worked in school systems in multiple US states in white-majority, black-majority, and latino-majority schools, as well as overseas. The problems are universal - it's only a question of which student populations are actually subjected to those problems.

You're right. It has nothing to do with race. It's culture.



African kids go to these same shythole schools and do well there.

Modern Black American culture does not value education and you know it in your heart of hearts. It's a fatal flaw of our culture. I used to be in denial about it too, since it hurt my feelings. But we all have to come to terms with the truth one day.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Instead of teaching their kids early to get em a head start so they end up in honors classes they do this. I was in honors and AP classes the majority of those kids weren't even gifted. They just were taught the basic material earlier in life so they were ahead. Parents were involved in their studying and getting them advantages.
I know you were too, you know the kids I'm talking about

This, I remember in 7th grade we had the option of taking pre algebra or algebra when enrolling in my middle school, my mom told me to enroll in algebra, that tracked me ahead in math, nothing about that was “unfair”, I just literally had a mom who knew I was smart enough to jump right into HS level math. Getting A’s in classes that were 1-2 years above my level gave me the confidence to take honors and AP classes. The idea that getting rid of honors classes is somehow gonna make C students more comfortable enrolling in APs because they don’t feel “separated” from honors kids is bullshyt.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

You are daft and immature if you think that is the only reason kids don't perform well in school! I really hope you don't have children!

It isn’t the only reason. But it’s the most common. If the child has problems at home, then how does that get fixed in school? And how does eliminating AP courses solve the problem? So because some kids can’t get in, that means nobody should have the option?

 

[Wildhundreds]

It isn’t the only reason. But it’s the most common. If the child has problems at home, then how does that get fixed in school? And how does eliminating AP courses solve the problem? So because some kids can’t get in, that means nobody should have the option?

The problem is always a the home. The selfish parents can't teach their kids how to celebrate someone thats more talented than them. Or too lazy to put the extra work in to bring their kids up to a level they desire. So its easier to place blame elsewhere.. And you have people supporting this shyt. Shyt is sickening.

 

[King Sun]

Culver city is far from "middle class" except the poor people in the city

 

[Wild self]

The United States is not Finland.

At least in NYC, charter schools have reduced the so-called educational racial achievement gap. Schools that are 100% black and Latino, most under the poverty line, and often housed in the very same buildings as several public schools have a much larger amount of children scoring 3's and 4's rather than 1's and 2's on the standardized tests. In one year 5th graders, Success kids from Harlem, scored higher as a whole than 5th graders in all of New York state on the Math test, even higher than those in affluent nearby Westchester suburbs like Scarsdale and Briarcliff Manor.

We need more TED Talks and schools that get rid of pointless standardized testing. So yes, in a way, the US needs to adopt a lot of the educational ways of Finland where they stress cooperation and teamwork on a regular basis or else we will be forever behind.

 

[Wildhundreds]

We need more TED Talks and schools that get rid of pointless standardized testing. So yes, in a way, the US needs to adopt a lot of the educational ways of Finland where they stress cooperation and teamwork on a regular basis or else we will be forever behind.

Right.. Letting those who have a edge in certain areas working with those who don't.. And that always don't have to be in the classroom though.. I've learned from kids smarter than me who were in AP classes. Helped me a lot.. So im seriously taken back by why is this a problem now.

 

[Wild self]

Right.. Letting those who have a edge in certain areas working with those who don't.. And that always don't have to be in the classroom though.. I've learned from kids smarter than me who were in AP classes. Helped me a lot.. So im seriously taken back by why is this a problem now.

Because America is too damn stubborn to change for the better.

 

[ISO]

We need more TED Talks and schools that get rid of pointless standardized testing. So yes, in a way, the US needs to adopt a lot of the educational ways of Finland where they stress cooperation and teamwork on a regular basis or else we will be forever behind.

Finland is not America. What % of their children are in generational poverty, how many Finnish-language learners do they have, how many of their children can be said to be disciplinary issues, how many come from broken homes? A small country of 5M with a homogenous population. Tests are much to do about nothing all they do is measure if a child has mastered the basics of a subject.

Again how did the 5th graders of Harlem's Success Academy manage to outscore all public school 5th graders in New York state in 2013 even those who lived in places like Bronxville and Scarsdale, white and affluent suburban areas? It's the public school bureaucracy, teacher's unions, and declining standards and expectations and coddling why shyt is so fukked up.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

This is a dog eats dog world. There are parents who want better, and that is perfectly fine.

Your proposal gives no reward for doing better. That is not how the world functions

I think you’re still missing the point. If this is executed with good intentions, those who wouldn’t qualify for AP classes under the old model can have a fighting chance in this dog eats dog world, because you would effectively raise the floor for all students, instead of just focusing on a select few for academic excellence

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

It isn’t the only reason. But it’s the most common. If the child has problems at home, then how does that get fixed in school? And how does eliminating AP courses solve the problem? So because some kids can’t get in, that means nobody should have the option?

Now go back to why the fukk you quoted me in the 1st fukking place and asked wtf any of what u post has to do with what the fukk you quoted me for


U just want to fukking argue with someone
Go yell at ya moms

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

One of those options does not require much money. Hell, right here in my neighborhood there is a grandmother that allows her daughter to use her address as the children's home of residence for schools. Her grandchildren get to go to the far better schools in our neighborhood, instead of the mainly craptacular ones where they live. Their mother drops them off at their grandmother's house before the bus comes through, and picks them up in the evening after work.

Make your child's education a priority, and ways will be found to make sure that child receives the schooling they need. Removing honors programs, in my opinion, is just a means to decrease possible competition from rising up from the underclass. So parents who can't afford the options I mentioned in my previous post, should fight it at the School Board meetings.

You are missing the overall point. Yes I agree parents should fight but school board meeting are a toss up. Decisions could already be made but by law they are required to have public meetings. Still, the fact a parent has to switch addresses just for their kids to go to a better school is a problem.

 

[daboywonder2002]

This is one of the hardest things about being a black parent you want your kid to get a quality education but you don't want them to be the only black kid in the class. That's why when you go house hopping or apartment hunting you have to look at the schools the diversity and the academics as well.