Today Proved That The Rings = GOAT in the NFL Argument Is Moronic
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Statistics are really useless when you haven't actually watched the games. Also, only posted stats that seem to support your argument
True, Peyton has had some good games and some bad games. But looking at the stats and saying that his defense was never the problem is just
I've seen every single one of Manning's playoff games, but you don't need to have watched them to realize that when you've had STACKED offenses and only put up 20+ points TWICE in playoff losses that it's not the defenses fault.
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I really doubt that because you would know that the defenses were built to play with a lead
whenever the defense had to come up clutch for the offense, they got shytted on
plus there were games like vs the Steelers where Vanderjagt missed a chip shot (it was gifted but he still missed), against the Jets where the defense gave up a GW FG, San Diego and Miami where they lost the game on defense
also, if you're going to use this argument you have to say the same thing about Brady.
I'm not excusing Brady for some of the poor performances he has had in the playoffs. However, that has nothing to do with Manning only putting up 20+ points TWICE in his career in playoff losses.......the same losses that were supposedly his defenses fault. Not everyone of those games were solely his fault, but when you've come up short that many times, it says something.
4th different coach got a SB trip outta the deal....way more impressive than playing your whole career for a guy that can squeeze 11 wins outta a guy who hadn't started a game since high school at the time. Downplay Peyton's 2nd ring cause he got "carried" but prop up Brady who threw 1 TD and 1 int the entire playoffs his first go round. It's a team accomplishment.....rings were always a terrible metric.
It's really more to QB than performance. Your Oline has to love and believe in your. The whole team has to believe in you. Players have to want to come play with you.
QB don't always win the game out right, but they lose every game. Muthafukkas love Peyton bruh.
QB don't always win the game out right, but they lose every game. Muthafukkas love Peyton bruh.
That's every team sport. Last year it was Butler's interception that made Brady the goat.
Brady aint the GOAT though.....
Spygate, Vinatieri, make those first 3
He got 1 and even that had fukkery associated with it (deflategate).
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Not sure I get this one. 3 super bowl MVPs and is about 3 years away from surpassing Peyton in every cumulative statistic out there (except interceptions)
That's no guarantee given his age
And Peyton has the 5 MVPs and a 3 to 1 edge over Brady in afc title games
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Incredible postBolded makes you lose all credibility you made this whiny thread goin on that long ass rant and threw a hissy fit cause you know your favorites Manning and Marino will never be the goats, I knew when I saw the thread title you were just sayin that to fit your narrative cause the only people who cry about the rings argument are fans of QBs that don't have rings or don't have as many as the other QBs.
Whats bullshyt moronic and retarded is butthurt idiots like you claimin that rings don't matter when decidin who the goat is even tho rings are the ultimate goal, you play to win the game you don't play to just play so if you a true goat you got to get it done in the postseason period.
Manning consistently had 12-4 13-3 and 14-2 records you don't get those wit weak teams so miss me wit that LeBron argument of "he didn't have good teammates", and the fact he got all those regular season MVPs actually hurts his goat status even more cause he's "the greatest regular season QB" so there's no excuse for him havin the mediocre postseason numbers that he does if he was really a goat he'd continue his greatness into the playoffs instead of chokin.
He hasn't had the worst luck he just plays like shyt muhfukka threw a pick 6 to end his last Superbowl appearance he IS a loser, you Manning dikkriders ignore his terrible play and shift blame onto his teammates even tho he was playin wit pro bowl future HOFers like Dallas Clark and Edgerrin James and his WRs were Marvin Harrison who's goin into the HOF and Reggie Wayne.
He had solid defenses half the time and had a great defense the first year he won they were the ones that carried him to that Superbowl along wit his kicker who made every point in that game against the Ravens cause Manning as usual was trash and didn't score a single TD yet threw 2 INTs in that game:michaeljordanlaugh:he only had 3 TDs that postseason but ended up throwin 7 INTs includin one in the Superbowl his RBs actually had a better SB performance than he did.
Manning was never better than Brady cause Brady came in and won immediately he wasn't throwin INTs left and right he only had 1 in his first postseason and 2 the year he won his second ring while havin 5 TDs that second postseason 3 of which were in the Superbowl game, in his very first playoff game they barely ran the ball yet he was able to throw 26/39 for 238 yards in the second half alone you Manning dikkriders/Brady haters talk that system bullshyt when he was the system from day one which is why he was the MVP of those first 2 Superbowls.
Montana is already in the conversation he's widely recognized as the goat he got 4 rings was 4/4 in the Superbowl wit 3 MVPs and a perfect 11 TDs to 0 INTs those are Jordan numbers, no this is how yall sneak Marino and Manning into the conversation yall gotta discredit rings cause those cats don't measure up to Montana and Brady who shyt all over them in the clutch.
Yall the ones movin the goalposts from SB rings to regular season MVPs as if regular season accomplishments are better than Superbowl wins, nobody just judges goats for what they do in the regular season the most important is always how they perform when the lights are brightest and Peyton is notorious for not bein clutch but the same can't be said about the true goat contender.:bradyyoumad:
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Nonsense. He balled out against the Pats and played a good game vs. the Bears.
The ring argument been a joke. Now dead arm Peyton getting a ring is the ultimate revenge. They'll try to downplay him, even in a win. But but his stats weren't good. Nah kiss my ass, first it was Peyton just got stats and couldn't win. Now it's going to be he won but without the stats.Dudes just need to admit they don't like the man.
People always want shyt both ways that's why these arguments are funny,but always seem to forget the same narratives for the person they caping.
Manning is the best pure passer I ever seen eye test,he never had a cannon but his accuracy is what sets him apart he never was a checkdown king.
Now it's nothing that can be said no losing Super Bowl record since that what counts 3-1 against Tom and Bill in AFC title games,
facts can't be disputed.Manning is his daddy when it counts the most fukk regular season wins didn't matter for Manning right
What is left to be said pay homage and keep it moving
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That describes the spin from Manning stans/Brady haters in this thread, Manning been
and just won a ring based solely on the defense while Brady still playin in his prime and will be a contender for the rest of his career so there's nothin sinkin.:bradyyoumad:Thats just him bein humble and he came up idolizin Montana so he's sayin Joe's the goat outta respect.As of today:
Brady aint the GOAT though.....
Spygate, Vinatieri, make those first 3
He got 1 and even that had fukkery associated with it (deflategate).
Regular season MVPs don't mean as much since its more of a popularity contest thats why Cam won this year even tho Brady Palmer and Wilson had better numbers in most categories, and Manning only has a 3 to 2 edge over Brady in AFC title games they were tied 2-2 before two weeks ago. Besides Brady has the edge in postseason matchups which is why you Manning stans/Brady haters are singlin out AFC title games.