Tokyo vanity explains why blacc women don’t submit to black men

[CBalla]

Well how ever you want to define it. Just move on and be done with them. Why you so upset about women you're not interested in? I've dealt with some and i keep it moving, without even looking back. Without even having a bad word to say about them because I've moved on. But the way some of these posters talk about trash women continually, it leaves me to believe thats all they got.

im not upset

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

So if you want a submissive bw, you're gay/feminine. Got it

Actually read...you sound like you caught feelings.

 

[High Art]

I was basically saying that kids fair better with two parents around than with a single parent. It’s so odd how you want to leave the father out of everything.

How do I want to leave the father out of everything? Where did I imply this? This is a trend I'm noticing in this "discussion". You implying things I never implied half the time. I've been saying 2 parents are better than 1 and now you're saying I didn't when the very post you quoted indidcated where I blatantly said so. You're being incredibly disingenuous but that's to be expected.

Who’s male bashing? Maybe this is why nothing can be communicated because it’s always received as “bashing”. Likely another symptom of that coddling I was talking about. And that’s not bashing, that’s being real. Women definitely coddle their sons.

There is a thread where I suggested that shytty black men should not be conflated with good decent black men. I was attacked for it. We have threads where other guys have said as much and they were attacked. On this board. While some women get conflated, they are checked quickly if not outright banned. And what constitutes this coddling? Just today we have seen stories where black boys are getting tortured and killed by their mothers, mothrs admitting to abusing their sons because they remind them of their ex, and so on. When I mentored children, this was very common and a recurring theme. When I worked indigent clinic, this was also a common problem as well. Child abuse, especially towards black boys is ridiculously high. Mental issues is also off the charts, with their psych issues not being treated in young black males. Suicide is skyrocketing in young black males as well as of late. But they're being coddled. But instead, let's conflate the idea of coddling with things you don't like, as you have been doing throughout much of this thread. I mean really now.

You started out even suggesting so yourself when you asked who was raising these soft men.

I never suggested that these men were coddled. Not having a father or being raised wrong in itself doesn't mean that they must have been coddled. That kind of dichotomous thinking is ridiculous. I would hope that you're better than that.

And unless another strong male family member steps in on behalf of the absentee father, they learn to be a “man“ from outside influences which can be either good or bad.

I've been saying as much but okay.

In your original comment, you asked “who” is raising these men, placing it all on the mother while granting the absentee father a pass. And you call it bashing when all I did was say this is why men are important in their son’s lives. Lol.

How did I grant the men a pass? This is what I've been saying. They are already shat on by society, the government, the law, and so on. They are already getting their criticism. The problem arises when we have people and even literal celebrities acting as if men aren't required in the home. We have literal threads where women have downplayed the need for men in the home. I call it bashing because more often than not, there is no distinction made between the deadbeat and regular men. There is another thread where I called for that and was attacked as well. I've been told that the role white supremacy plays in all of this is a "cop-out". I can quote all these posts I'm talking about and you can take it up with those people.

Another thing I find interesting is that my main issue was that you have an issue in deadbeats and potential deadbeats and the same approach to dealing with them keeps being done, they keep being talked to or talked about in a manner that has not yielded positive results. This is fact. Yet all I am hearing are excuses to continue doing the same thing over and over so some of y'all can continue bytching about shyt over and over. It's ridiculous lol.

I was speaking on the importance of a father’s presence in his son’s life.

Yet you think the mother is fine without the father. I would say she is unfit to raise that kid without a father. You would say otherwise. Where?

A woman not being equipped to teach a boy how to be a man doesn’t make her an unfit mother.

It seems like you’re conflating topics at this point.

This is a hilarious post given how much of it you've done.

And all because you don’t want the absentee father receiving any smoke in the discussion. Lol. It’s considered “bashing” him. Instead of addressing the issue of the man walking out on his child, you’re suggesting the child should be punished even further and placed into a child welfare system that’s already overloaded and about to be even more overloaded.

No, I'm saying it is not effective because it isn't. If it was, we would not be having this conversation. I've said this a few times and laid out how everything you're in favor of has not worked. The usual bashing, which has existed for the longest time, is not working. The worst part, I ask why it isn't working, and you insinuate that it's because they were coddled. Every single deadbeat is a coddled child? Despite all these cases of child abuse towards black males? Really?

I'll say it again: Bashing deadbeats does not bother me, but it is obviously not working. Something else needs to be tried because again, the old shyt is not working. The ineffectiveness, and the defense of the ineffectiveness is mind-numbing.

Somehow this is defending deadbeats though. So disingenuous. I mean really.

And I asked “why does society need to come down on the PARENT who’s caring for the child”. I mentioned nothing about them needing to be celebrated. I just asked why does society need to come down hard on them.

I mentioned such is done in general, which it is. I'm talking about reality here. And society has every right to come down on someone who was stupid enough not to use all the different forms of contraception on their end, all the post-coital means of pregnancy prevention on their end, all the pregnancy termination methods that were even supported by the government on their end, insist on using condoms and such on their partner's end. Society has every right to be a bit less than pleased with someone who ignores all those options, gets with a loser, and let him hit it raw, while knowing the possible issues that such may entail and bringing a kid into a world where he or she has the cards stacked against them and where even the mother has shyt stacked against her. Even more so if they are black.

If you forgo all that shyt and get pregnant by some loser, you're an idiot. The deadbeat is a loser as well but holy shyt how stupid can one be to ignore all that shyt. This is also why I gave a pass to women who were single mothers via divorce or by death. Those women did nothing wrong and tried to do things the right way. The fact that they tried deserves recognition.

This brings me back to my other point. I fear for the kind of person that comes from and is raised by someone who is stupid enough to forgo all that for a fukking tingle. The father is an idiot but holy shyt so is the mother. The father is getting shat on, even if it is ineffective he is getting it. The mother gets, a kid I guess.

And my question didn’t apply to just single moms. I was also including single fathers, which is why I provided the deadbeat mother example. But now that you mention celebrations, single dads who chose to lay up with a deadbeat woman actually are celebrated. Super, duper facts. You’re being disingenuous if you really claim that’s not the case. Society looks at them with googly eyes because it’s oh so precious and refreshing seeing a father with his kids. A mom raising her kids is par for the course.

Wait, a guy playing stepdaddy is different than a single mother. This whole post doesn't make sense, other than a guy who stays with a mother who sucks is somehow celebrated, which is not often the case. We call the woman toxic and tell the guy to divorce and the lady and take the kids and get out. I've mentioned a few times that divorce is separate. A guy who sticks around is not a problem either. A single father is an issue but how many problems are we seeing from them? I'd love to see the stats on those guys. Post them if you have them.

Who knows. I don’t have these problems either. But it’s happening and I live in a reality where it takes a man being around for the pregnancy to happen. Which is why I pointed out earlier it’s two consenting adults making the decision to lay up with each other. Yet you only want us to have smoke for the woman. I don’t get it either. And of course men who aren’t out here making kids wouldn’t apply to this discussion.

And again, I never said that the guy shouldn't get smoke but that the usual smoke for him is not working. Even more so, the smoke that conflates good decent men with them. This is an issue with a lot of issues. Talking about crime, it is suddenly put on all black males when only a percentage is actually doing the crime. The same goes for issues of employment and so on. It's stupid because it takes the focus off of the people who are actually at fault. In this instance, deadbeats. But look at any thread about deadbeats and it is filled with people talking about black men as an entirety and doing so in a non-constructive manner.

That said, there is a thread that highlights how abusive a single mother can be. It acknowledged that some are downright terrible towards their sons, it shows that some can be very unfair, and it doesn't peddle any silly ideas about only boys being coddled. It shows that some boys are not. And the simple message was "men, protect your seed and be careful who you lay up with". All nuance aside, it was a very good post and thread simply because it highlights an important issue. It also hints at the possibility that such kid may not have a good end. Even though it criticizes men, it does it as it should and provides excellent instruction. It doesn't come out with some bullshyt added extra condemnation that conflates the good men with shytty ones. It doesn't generalize in a negative manner. It's not laden with some laughably stupid idea or pretense that if you disagree you are coddled. The onus in the end is put on men, all men even as a call to action, but it does it well.

 

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[Killer Instinct]

Isn't that "toxic masculinity?"

 

[Rell84shots]

Men who sit around stressing about submissive “this and that” are cornballs and never had an actual girlfriend in their lives.

A woman will naturally become “submissive” to certain extents when a man proves himself to be worthy of that.

A lot of dudes in this era think just by being a man that automatically a woman should be submissive to no avail and those kind of men wind up miserable and lonely like a rather large segment of TLR.

Now what is she going to do to show a man that she's worth the effort?

 

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[2 Up 2 Down]

What's up with these chicks naming themselves after Asian countries and cities

 

[Rozay Oro]

All I know I been pumping iron and I’m happy just smashing

 

[BrothaZay]

THANK YOU!
They’ll listen since a man said it

No we won’t. I’ll slap that nikka

 

[Rum&Pineapple]

@High Art

Spoiler: Long Read

How do I want to leave the father out of everything? Where did I imply this? This is a trend I'm noticing in this "discussion". You implying things I never implied half the time. I've been saying 2 parents are better than 1 and now you're saying I didn't when the very post you quoted indidcated where I blatantly said so. You're being incredibly disingenuous but that's to be expected.

I recall you about to pull out a roll of excuses when I asked where the father was. That’s what I’m referring to. So how am I being disingenuous? And what do you mean by “that’s to be expected”?

There is a thread where I suggested that shytty black men should not be conflated with good decent black men. I was attacked for it. We have threads where other guys have said as much and they were attacked. On this board.

Don’t know why you were attacked because I totally agree with that. I hope you don’t feel like I’m attacking.

While some women get conflated, they are checked quickly if not outright banned.

I would have to see it to believe it, lol. This board‘s bread and butter is ranting about women.

And what constitutes this coddling? Just today we have seen stories where black boys are getting tortured and killed by their mothers, mothrs admitting to abusing their sons because they remind them of their ex, and so on. When I mentored children, this was very common and a recurring theme. When I worked indigent clinic, this was also a common problem as well. Child abuse, especially towards black boys is ridiculously high. Mental issues is also off the charts, with their psych issues not being treated in young black males. Suicide is skyrocketing in young black males as well as of late. But they're being coddled. But instead, let's conflate the idea of coddling with things you don't like, as you have been doing throughout much of this thread. I mean really now.

Are you suggesting that most mothers abuse their sons? I’m not discussing matters of abuse. That should go without saying. I’m speaking on the normal dynamic. You never heard the phrase “mothers love their sons and raise their daughters“? I’ve seen it for myself countless times, so you’re going to have a tough time convincing me otherwise. You asked why some of these women were raising soft men and I gave you an answer. A lot of those men are raised without a father and their mom‘s baby them as overcompensation for that. My uncle comes to mind while discussing this. He was loved while my mom was raised. He still runs to mommy to this day whenever he needs anything instead of working it out for himself. And this is just one of many examples of what I’ve seen firsthand.

I never suggested that these men were coddled. Not having a father or being raised wrong in itself doesn't mean that they must have been coddled. That kind of dichotomous thinking is ridiculous. I would hope that you're better than that.

I originally thought that was where you were going with that but just decided to argue for the sake of arguing. So since you don’t like my answer, what are women doing to raise weak men? You think most of them are being abused?

I've been saying as much but okay.

How did I grant the men a pass? This is what I've been saying. They are already shat on by society, the government, the law, and so on. They are already getting their criticism. The problem arises when we have people and even literal celebrities acting as if men aren't required in the home. We have literal threads where women have downplayed the need for men in the home. I call it bashing because more often than not, there is no distinction made between the deadbeat and regular men. There is another thread where I called for that and was attacked as well. I've been told that the role white supremacy plays in all of this is a "cop-out". I can quote all these posts I'm talking about and you can take it up with those people.

What we have been discussing is the absentee father. So I didn’t see a need to preface everything with “not all men” or “some men”. I totally agree with you that men are absolutely needed in the household and that white supremacy plays a role. This goes all the way back to the plantation when enslaved men were separated from their families. It’s pretty deep. You seem level headed and knowledgeable. Maybe it was just your delivery in THIS thread that had me confused.

Another thing I find interesting is that my main issue was that you have an issue in deadbeats and potential deadbeats and the same approach to dealing with them keeps being done, they keep being talked to or talked about in a manner that has not yielded positive results. This is fact. Yet all I am hearing are excuses to continue doing the same thing over and over so some of y'all can continue bytching about shyt over and over. It's ridiculous lol.

Excuses where? The cycle needs to end somewhere. And a lot of men decide to break the cycle and take on their parenting role. While others bytch up and simply refuse to.

Yet you think the mother is fine without the father.

Yeah, Imma need you to quote exactly where I said that. I’ve said ad nauseam that women aren’t equipped to teach a man how to be a man because she isn‘t a man. That still doesn’t mean she needs to give up her parental rights because sons still need their mothers too.

I would say she is unfit to raise that kid without a father. You would say otherwise. Where?

We obviously have different definitions for unfit. She still serves her purpose as the mother.

This is a hilarious post given how much of it you've done.

I‘ve been consistent in everything I’ve said

No, I'm saying it is not effective because it isn't. If it was, we would not be having this conversation. I've said this a few times and laid out how everything you're in favor of has not worked. The usual bashing, which has existed for the longest time, is not working. The worst part, I ask why it isn't working, and you insinuate that it's because they were coddled. Every single deadbeat is a coddled child? Despite all these cases of child abuse towards black males? Really?

“Coddling” was just one part of the answer. That was in response to your inquiry about who was raising these weak men. The other part is negative outside influences, which I touched on briefly in one of my other posts. And again, I’m speaking on the normal dynamics and within the context of your original post. I wouldn’t reduce a man to simply being weak or feminine if I were operating under the assumption that he suffered a history of abuse.

I'll say it again: Bashing deadbeats does not bother me, but it is obviously not working. Something else needs to be tried because again, the old shyt is not working. The ineffectiveness, and the defense of the ineffectiveness is mind-numbing.

Somehow this is defending deadbeats though. So disingenuous. I mean really.

Bashing women isn’t working either. And seems even less effective since in most situations, they are the ones caring for the child and taking the accountability brehs in this forum always screech about. So I dunno.

I mentioned such is done in general, which it is. I'm talking about reality here. And society has every right to come down on someone who was stupid enough not to use all the different forms of contraception on their end, all the post-coital means of pregnancy prevention on their end, all the pregnancy termination methods that were even supported by the government on their end, insist on using condoms and such on their partner's end. Society has every right to be a bit less than pleased with someone who ignores all those options, gets with a loser, and let him hit it raw, while knowing the possible issues that such may entail and bringing a kid into a world where he or she has the cards stacked against them and where even the mother has shyt stacked against her. Even more so if they are black.

If you forgo all that shyt and get pregnant by some loser, you're an idiot. The deadbeat is a loser as well but holy shyt how stupid can one be to ignore all that shyt. This is also why I gave a pass to women who were single mothers via divorce or by death. Those women did nothing wrong and tried to do things the right way. The fact that they tried deserves recognition.

This brings me back to my other point. I fear for the kind of person that comes from and is raised by someone who is stupid enough to forgo all that for a fukking tingle. The father is an idiot but holy shyt so is the mother. The father is getting shat on, even if it is ineffective he is getting it. The mother gets, a kid I guess.

Bashing while complaining about bashing? Because by your definition, this is definitely bashing. We can debate all day about the woulda, coulda, shoulda‘s and the woman’s poor taste in men, Life happens, shyt happens. The child is here now. Where the pappy? That’s all I’m interested in. You can’t ask the question of “who’s raising them” without also acknowledging who has declined to be there to raise them. The only reason we’re even discussing this is because you brought it into this thread.

Wait, a guy playing stepdaddy is different than a single mother. This whole post doesn't make sense, other than a guy who stays with a mother who sucks is somehow celebrated, which is not often the case. We call the woman toxic and tell the guy to divorce and the lady and take the kids and get out. I've mentioned a few times that divorce is separate. A guy who sticks around is not a problem either. A single father is an issue but how many problems are we seeing from them? I'd love to see the stats on those guys. Post them if you have them.

It doesn’t make sense because you read it wrong . I didn’t mention anything about a stepdaddy or anyone playing stepdaddy. Entire post was about the actual father. I was saying single fathers are the ones who are actually celebrated, whereas moms raising the kids is run of the mill.

And again, I never said that the guy shouldn't get smoke but that the usual smoke for him is not working. Even more so, the smoke that conflates good decent men with them. This is an issue with a lot of issues. Talking about crime, it is suddenly put on all black males when only a percentage is actually doing the crime. The same goes for issues of employment and so on. It's stupid because it takes the focus off of the people who are actually at fault. In this instance, deadbeats. But look at any thread about deadbeats and it is filled with people talking about black men as an entirety and doing so in a non-constructive manner.

If the thread is about deadbeats, maybe they are discussing deadbeats without feeling a need to preface what’s already in the title? But I understand the frustration because on the coli every black woman is seemingly a feminist. To the point where I don’t think they understand the definition of the word.

That said, there is a thread that highlights how abusive a single mother can be. It acknowledged that some are downright terrible towards their sons, it shows that some can be very unfair, and it doesn't peddle any silly ideas about only boys being coddled. It shows that some boys are not. And the simple message was "men, protect your seed and be careful who you lay up with". All nuance aside, it was a very good post and thread simply because it highlights an important issue. It also hints at the possibility that such kid may not have a good end. Even though it criticizes men, it does it as it should and provides excellent instruction. It doesn't come out with some bullshyt added extra condemnation that conflates the good men with shytty ones. It doesn't generalize in a negative manner. It's not laden with some laughably stupid idea or pretense that if you disagree you are coddled. The onus in the end is put on men, all men even as a call to action, but it does it well.

I understand that “some” aren’t coddled. I never denied that abuse occurred. And it’s definitely an important issue because every child should be protected. But final time, I was giving my two cents on the normal dynamics. I could very easily say that the women you speak of who don’t know how to choose men wisely or sustain healthy relationships were abused by their fathers. Which we all know is the case in many situations. But I’ve never seen that turn into the focal point of discussion in here.

 

[High Art]

@High Art

Spoiler: Long Read

I recall you about to pull out a roll of excuses when I asked where the father was. That’s what I’m referring to. So how am I being disingenuous? And what do you mean by “that’s to be expected”?



Don’t know why you were attacked because I totally agree with that. I hope you don’t feel like I’m attacking.



I would have to see it to believe it, lol. This board‘s bread and butter is ranting about women.



Are you suggesting that most mothers abuse their sons? I’m not discussing matters of abuse. That should go without saying. I’m speaking on the normal dynamic. You never heard the phrase “mothers love their sons and raise their daughters“? I’ve seen it for myself countless times, so you’re going to have a tough time convincing me otherwise. You asked why some of these women were raising soft men and I gave you an answer. A lot of those men are raised without a father and their mom‘s baby them as overcompensation for that. My uncle comes to mind while discussing this. He was loved while my mom was raised. He still runs to mommy to this day whenever he needs anything instead of working it out for himself. And this is just one of many examples of what I’ve seen firsthand.



I originally thought that was where you were going with that but just decided to argue for the sake of arguing. So since you don’t like my answer, what are women doing to raise weak men? You think most of them are being abused?






What we have been discussing is the absentee father. So I didn’t see a need to preface everything with “not all men” or “some men”. I totally agree with you that men are absolutely needed in the household and that white supremacy plays a role. This goes all the way back to the plantation when enslaved men were separated from their families. It’s pretty deep. You seem level headed and knowledgeable. Maybe it was just your delivery in THIS thread that had me confused.



Excuses where? The cycle needs to end somewhere. And a lot of men decide to break the cycle and take on their parenting role. While others bytch up and simply refuse to.



Yeah, Imma need you to quote exactly where I said that. I’ve said ad nauseam that women aren’t equipped to teach a man how to be a man because she isn‘t a man. That still doesn’t mean she needs to give up her parental rights because sons still need their mothers too.



We obviously have different definitions for unfit. She still serves her purpose as the mother.







I‘ve been consistent in everything I’ve said



“Coddling” was just one part of the answer. That was in response to your inquiry about who was raising these weak men. The other part is negative outside influences, which I touched on briefly in one of my other posts. And again, I’m speaking on the normal dynamics and within the context of your original post. I wouldn’t reduce a man to simply being weak or feminine if I were operating under the assumption that he suffered a history of abuse.



Bashing women isn’t working either. And seems even less effective since in most situations, they are the ones caring for the child and taking the accountability brehs in this forum always screech about. So I dunno.



Bashing while complaining about bashing? Because by your definition, this is definitely bashing. We can debate all day about the woulda, coulda, shoulda‘s and the woman’s poor taste in men, Life happens, shyt happens. The child is here now. Where the pappy? That’s all I’m interested in. You can’t ask the question of “who’s raising them” without also acknowledging who has declined to be there to raise them. The only reason we’re even discussing this is because you brought it into this thread.



It doesn’t make sense because you read it wrong . I didn’t mention anything about a stepdaddy or anyone playing stepdaddy. Entire post was about the actual father. I was saying single fathers are the ones who are actually celebrated, whereas moms raising the kids is run of the mill.



If the thread is about deadbeats, maybe they are discussing deadbeats without feeling a need to preface what’s already in the title? But I understand the frustration because on the coli every black woman is seemingly a feminist. To the point where I don’t think they understand the definition of the word.



I understand that “some” aren’t coddled. I never denied that abuse occurred. And it’s definitely an important issue because every child should be protected. But final time, I was giving my two cents on the normal dynamics. I could very easily say that the women you speak of who don’t know how to choose men wisely or sustain healthy relationships were abused by their fathers. Which we all know is the case in many situations. But I’ve never seen that turn into the focal point of discussion in here.

I don't want to make this any longer than it already is so I'll keep it short(er). Most boys are not coddled and if anything many are subject to abuse in single parent households for one reason or the other. That plays a part in creating some of the problematic men and even deadbeats we see out there. I do think that two parents are needed and ideal but at the same time, we have to acknowledge the part the woman plays in the creation of the child and in the raising of the child. I wasn't about to roll out a list of excuses but instead, intended to bring the discussion back to white supremacy and the part it plays, which is why I asked the question as I did and why later on, I commented on such being called a "cop-out" in another thread. And while I think deadbeats deserve a lot of the flack they get, I don't think it is entirely effective but more than that, I think it is detrimental to bring other, normal non-dead beat men, black men especially, into those discussions (I'm speaking in general). That said, if men are being coddled by their mothers, isn't it an issue of these mothers choosing to coddle their sons? They don't have to do that. At that point, it can't be certain a father would undo such damage. In the end, that doesn't make sense and in some ways, puts this issue at the mother's feet.

Also, single fathers aren't celebrated. As for clarification on single mothers (due to deadbeats and not something understandable like divorce or widowing), the issue some guys have is that we see all the steps that go into making a baby and keeping one and are baffled that someone who claims to either not want the kid or what not skips all kinds of preventative steps to get there.
Consider: the making of a single mother (not all of them, some of them) in one act play (oh I'm going to piss off some people with this):

Spoiler: Behold, a play

*Curtain raises*

Voice of Reason: So you want to have sex, how about some protection?
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: How about some oral contraceptives? We have many...
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: How about a subdermal contraceptive? We have many....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: How about an IUD? Again, there are some nice ones....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: The guy seems like a piece of shyt, his background is sketchy, he has some baby mommas as well...
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: Well, tell him to wear a condom then or pull out....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.

*Deadbeat does the cabbage patch into the room*

Deadbeat: Let's get this party started.
Voice of Reason: Dude wear a condom or pull out. I know your options are limited but damn, be man, you nitwit...
Deadbeat: lol no. Let's get this party started.

*Sex occurs*
Ahhh ahhh ahhhhhhhh. ( Ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu) ( panting like dog) ( sounds like demonic possession) ( speaking in tongues)

*bonk-bonk* *honk-honk* (word to @Mowgli - thanks for the hot line, I decided to make it a hot song. Rep sent).
*Sex is done*

Voice of Reason: You let him hit it raw. At least use a morning after pill or some other emergency contraception.....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.

Her: OMG how did this happen, I'm pregnant!
Voice of Reason: You can at least get an abortion.
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.

*gives birth*

Her: That deadbeat said he's going to be a deadbeat. How could this happen? Why didn't anyone foresee this happening?
Deadbeat: I'm now a loser, known as a loser, reviled by society (but I'm still getting women pregnant lol) and may very well end up in prison if I don't pay up. My wages getting garnished too.
Voice of Reason: The woman had nothing to do with it. The guy is entirely to blame. And while he does get punished, the women gets to raise a kid with some help here and there.

Voice of Reason: I heard choosing to coddle the kid is a bad idea.
Her: Nope, I'll be fine. I'll coddle him if I want to.
Voice of Reason: If you do that, he'll be a loser.
Her: It's not my fault if my coddling turns him into a loser, even though single mothers don't always turn their kids into losers due to not coddling. I choose to coddle mine.
Voice of Reason:

*End play*

Some guys are baffled as to why better is not chosen or at some of the steps, common sense doesn't kick in and put the libido into a kimura lock. A sharpshooter even. The stats even indicate that a number of guys are not having kids or even having sex, which makes a lot of the issues even more puzzling. It's weird to some of us.

 

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I don't want to make this any longer than it already is so I'll keep it short(er). Most boys are not coddled and if anything many are subject to abuse in single parent households for one reason or the other. That plays a part in creating some of the problematic men and even deadbeats we see out there. I do think that two parents are needed and ideal but at the same time, we have to acknowledge the part the woman plays in the creation of the child and in the raising of the child. I wasn't about to roll out a list of excuses but instead, intended to bring the discussion back to white supremacy and the part it plays, which is why I asked the question as I did and why later on, I commented on such being called a "cop-out" in another thread. And while I think deadbeats deserve a lot of the flack they get, I don't think it is entirely effective but more than that, I think it is detrimental to bring other, normal non-dead beat men, black men especially, into those discussions (I'm speaking in general). That said, if men are being coddled by their mothers, isn't it an issue of these mothers choosing to coddle their sons? They don't have to do that. At that point, it can't be certain a father would undo such damage. In the end, that doesn't make sense and in some ways, puts this issue at the mother's feet.

Also, single fathers aren't celebrated. As for clarification on single mothers (due to deadbeats and not something understandable like divorce or widowing), the issue some guys have is that we see all the steps that go into making a baby and keeping one and are baffled that someone who claims to either not want the kid or what not skips all kinds of preventative steps to get there.
Consider: the making of a single mother (not all of them, some of them) in one act play (oh I'm going to piss off some people with this):

Spoiler: Behold, a play

*Curtain raises*

Voice of Reason: So you want to have sex, how about some protection?
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: How about some oral contraceptives? We have many...
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: How about a subdermal contraceptive? We have many....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: How about an IUD? Again, there are some nice ones....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: The guy seems like a piece of shyt, his background is sketchy, he has some baby mommas as well...
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.
Voice of Reason: Well, tell him to wear a condom then or pull out....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.

*Deadbeat does the cabbage patch into the room*

Deadbeat: Let's get this party started.
Voice of Reason: Dude wear a condom or pull out. I know your options are limited but damn, be man, you nitwit...
Deadbeat: lol no. Let's get this party started.

*Sex occurs*
Ahhh ahhh ahhhhhhhh. ( Ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu) ( panting like dog) ( sounds like demonic possession) ( speaking in tongues)

*bonk-bonk* *honk-honk* (word to @Mowgli - thanks for the hot line, I decided to make it a hot song. Rep sent).
*Sex is done*

Voice of Reason: You let him hit it raw. At least use a morning after pill or some other emergency contraception.....
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.

Her: OMG how did this happen, I'm pregnant!
Voice of Reason: You can at least get an abortion.
Her: Nope, I'll be fine.

*gives birth*

Her: That deadbeat said he's going to be a deadbeat. How could this happen? Why didn't anyone foresee this happening?
Deadbeat: I'm now a loser, known as a loser, reviled by society (but I'm still getting women pregnant lol) and may very well end up in prison if I don't pay up. My wages getting garnished too.
Voice of Reason: The woman had nothing to do with it. The guy is entirely to blame. And while he does get punished, the women gets to raise a kid with some help here and there.

Voice of Reason: I heard choosing to coddle the kid is a bad idea.
Her: Nope, I'll be fine. I'll coddle him if I want to.
Voice of Reason: If you do that, he'll be a loser.
Her: It's not my fault if my coddling turns him into a loser, even though single mothers don't always turn their kids into losers due to not coddling. I choose to coddle mine.
Voice of Reason:

*End play*

Some guys are baffled as to why better is not chosen or at some of the steps, common sense doesn't kick in and put the libido into a kimura lock. A sharpshooter even. The stats even indicate that a number of guys are not having kids or even having sex, which makes a lot of the issues even more puzzling. It's weird to some of us.

Well yes. I was placing it at her feet because I don’t believe she’s blameless. We’ll have to agree to disagree on the coddling part.

Women get bashed in here for having abortions too. It’s said that she’s evading accountability and killing a black child. But then there will be threads asking why should men have to pay child support for a child they helped to create but didn’t want.

Also, your script isn’t always how it goes down. It was funny to read though.