True or False, Mayor Bloomberg's Tenure Helped Dilute NYC Rap

[RicanFury]

alot of real talk and nostalgia in this thread, but also alot of false facts. theres still plenty of street musicf being generated in the city. rappers still connected to the streets in real ways. theres troy ave, 1 shot dealz from spanish harlem, some of jim jones newer artists, charli rock formerly of the coke boyz is a legit goon with street power in nyc...the element exists there just is not a mainstream demand for it like there once was.


now the nostalgia:

-that skate key shyt in the south bronx was a fukking goon playground. ppl got hurt there every fukking day it was open.

- 42nd on holloween was a dangerous place to be, it was gangland.

- avirex, pelles, merms all had nikkas flossing and getting poked up for it. the other day someone got shot over a merm and i thought it was a throwback news article.

- theres a definitely air of safety and the effects of gentrification are real, but in my opinion it didnt have an effect on rap...it just moved around those living the life of stereotypical nyc rap in an era where it isn't demanded by the public. it exists, you just have to look.

 

[Lana Kane]

Who?

The former mayor of LA. He left office in July.

 

[Enchanted]

The city becoming safer did NOT fukk up New York rap. Come on ya'll thats some c00n shyt

I actually like Harlem better now than back in the day. Ya remember when nikkas was getting fukkin clapped in broad daylight over Merms


Streets is stil grimey, but at least there is a air of safety now. As for dat hipster cac shyt, I dont see none of that on my side of the town. So im cool. More cops means less killings, and if you got fam who been thru that shyt, you know it aint sweet. I had a homie who got shot point blank in his chest right after we was all done with school back in the 9th grade. Im GLAD the young nikkas coming up aint gonna have to go thru that.

I can't believe some of the shyt I'm reading nikka.

"NYC needs to go back to being dangerous so we can get better raps!"

fukk outta here

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

Don't forget CHURCH AVE. in bk
.where TRINI and JAMAICANS would pop off on each.other
.

Nuff bwoi get cooked like beef patty

 

[Easy-E]

Any good books, articles, etc on the last 25 yrs of change in NY?

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

[quote="Leasy, post: 6211911, member: 4167"]I didn't know there was still blacks in NYC. They kicking y'all dudes out and taking over.

King of NY in 10 years will be a Jon Mayer cat.

when you say NYC.. do u mean manhattan?

cuz go to coney island and any other area of brooklyn if u think whats bolded up above.[/quote]
save ya keystrokes ....dude is idiot or a troll to type that

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

alot of real talk and nostalgia in this thread, but also alot of false facts. theres still plenty of street musicf being generated in the city. rappers still connected to the streets in real ways. theres troy ave, 1 shot dealz from spanish harlem, some of jim jones newer artists, charli rock formerly of the coke boyz is a legit goon with street power in nyc...the element exists there just is not a mainstream demand for it like there once was.


now the nostalgia:

-that skate key shyt in the south bronx was a fukking goon playground. ppl got hurt there every fukking day it was open.

- 42nd on holloween was a dangerous place to be, it was gangland.

- avirex, pelles, merms all had nikkas flossing and getting poked up for it. the other day someone got shot over a merm and i thought it was a throwback news article.

- theres a definitely air of safety and the effects of gentrification are real, but in my opinion it didnt have an effect on rap...it just moved around those living the life of stereotypical nyc rap in an era where it isn't demanded by the public. it exists, you just have to look.

skate key...the new or old? that shooting last week on the ice skating rink on 42 was a 16yo tryin to jak a mermot....shyt still loose...for the kids sake im glad its better now though

 

[Poitier]

Troy Ave is not a street rapper

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

My bad I forgot to leave out the fact that those prison increases were STATE AND FEDERAL .... that boy Clinton really did it for Black folks

Sister Michelle Alexander was the only Black person I can think of in recent memory that actually called him out(in her book and in interviews)

I sometimes wonder if Black folks even know that the whole "One Strike" for getting banned from public housing over drug arrests was because of him...I am becoming more and more convinced they think the housing thing was Reagan...Its pretty sad to witness...Yes the drug war has been "winding down" but only in "bandaids" like Obama easing up on mandatory minimum sentences ...But its still a significant issue. That is why it bothers me how we even would think about supporting his wife in 2016....we never seem to learn as a community....I don't mean to get this thread moving in this direction from NYC rap but there is a correlation with all of this....

My bad I forgot to leave out the fact that those prison increases were STATE AND FEDERAL .... that boy Clinton really did it for Black folks

Sister Michelle Alexander was the only Black person I can think of in recent memory that actually called him out(in her book and in interviews)

I sometimes wonder if Black folks even know that the whole "One Strike" for getting banned from public housing over drug arrests was because of him...I am becoming more and more convinced they think the housing thing was Reagan...Its pretty sad to witness...Yes the drug war has been "winding down" but only in "bandaids" like Obama easing up on mandatory minimum sentences ...But its still a significant issue. That is why it bothers me how we even would think about supporting his wife in 2016....we never seem to learn as a community....I don't mean to get this thread moving in this direction from NYC rap but there is a correlation with all of this....

Thier is always a correlation between socio-economic issues enforced by political policies and hip hop

since HIP HOP's inception which came about because of the urban plight and isolation from the mainstream economy of New York.....

a whole subuculture and black market economy had to be formed because as Chuck D. pointed out the cutting of arts and music programs for NYC schools and the epidemic Herion problem along with housing of multiethnics in NYC definitly had an influence.

also the 70's feeling of disallusioned youth whom felt that the civil rights movement of the 60's didn't bring about much.

and that anything that DID benifit the black community came with strings attached and comprimises.

for example i know for a fact the celebrated SCHOOL OF MECCA founded by Clarence 13x was established with "assistance" from the office of Mayor Lindsay whom appreciated Clarence 13x's relationship with the youth of harlem in helping ease the expected violent reaction (RIOTS) from the youth following MLK's assasination....

 

[mortuus est]

Any good books, articles, etc on the last 25 yrs of change in NY?

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this

 

[ThaRealness]

Wait, so you guys are outraged because he made the city safer?

 

[Big Mel]

The former mayor of LA. He left office in July.

oh. couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

 

[tremonthustler1]

The city becoming safer did NOT fukk up New York rap. Come on ya'll thats some c00n shyt

I actually like Harlem better now than back in the day. Ya remember when nikkas was getting fukkin clapped in broad daylight over Merms


Streets is stil grimey, but at least there is a air of safety now. As for dat hipster cac shyt, I dont see none of that on my side of the town. So im cool. More cops means less killings, and if you got fam who been thru that shyt, you know it aint sweet. I had a homie who got shot point blank in his chest right after we was all done with school back in the 9th grade. Im GLAD the young nikkas coming up aint gonna have to go thru that.

It did kinda fukk up NY rap, not all of it, but the grimy rap NY came up on feeds off misery. When shyt is less miserable, it's hard for that grimy message to hit home. The streets being safer to an extent is a good thing. It's what we hope one day the whole city can be like, but it comes at a cost, and the cost is that the rap we romanticize just isn't gonna be the same.

I agree though. shyt ain't sweet where I'm from, but I know how it used to be and that shyt was worse. Yeah the NY of the past led to some great music, but I don't want the misery that came with it.

 

[Michael's Black Son]

LOL @ the tread title.

Now that's a new angle to explain why NY has fallen off

 

[CASHAPP]

Thier is always a correlation between socio-economic issues enforced by political policies and hip hop

since HIP HOP's inception which came about because of the urban plight and isolation from the mainstream economy of New York.....

a whole subuculture and black market economy had to be formed because as Chuck D. pointed out the cutting of arts and music programs for NYC schools and the epidemic Herion problem along with housing of multiethnics in NYC definitly had an influence.

also the 70's feeling of disallusioned youth whom felt that the civil rights movement of the 60's didn't bring about much.

and that anything that DID benifit the black community came with strings attached and comprimises.

for example i know for a fact the celebrated SCHOOL OF MECCA founded by Clarence 13x was established with "assistance" from the office of Mayor Lindsay whom appreciated Clarence 13x's relationship with the youth of harlem in helping ease the expected violent reaction (RIOTS) from the youth following MLK's assasination....