Trump Administration to seek race data on Universities that get funding. The amount of Blacks that attend these Universities will determine funding.

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He makes a lot of money and is educated, and has fully bought into being a bourgeois Negro

This shyt has taught me not be ashamed of my hunches, but to make sure I do further research on them

And also if a certain class of ppl are whining about it, its probably the right decision
Your cousin is typical. I've said many times before, I do not fw my class bc of this shyt. We don't socialize with them, we don't like them. We're pro black before anything else in this household and prioritize the needs of those not as fortunate.

Believe your hunches, that's the ancestors talking. I'm always happy to see a c00n whine about a move regular bp making, *Donald Glover voice* GOOD.
 

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Columbia and Brown to Disclose Admissions and Race Data in Trump Deal​

A widely overlooked part of a settlement with the two universities could profoundly alter how elite schools determine who gets accepted.


As part of the settlements struck with two Ivy League universities in recent weeks, the Trump administration will gain access to the standardized test scores and grade point averages of all applicants, including information about their race, a measure that could profoundly alter competitive college admissions.

That aspect of the agreements with Columbia and Brown, which goes well beyond the information typically provided to the government, was largely overlooked amid splashier news that the universities had promised to pay tens of millions of dollars to settle claims of violations of federal anti-discrimination laws, including accusations that they had tolerated antisemitism.

The release of such data has been on the wish list of conservatives who are searching for evidence that universities are dodging a 2023 Supreme Court decision barring the consideration of race in college admissions, and will probably be sought in the future from many more of them.

But college officials and experts who support using factors beyond test scores worry that the government — or private groups or individuals — will use the data to file new discrimination charges against universities and threaten their federal funding.

The Trump administration is using every lever it can to push elite college admissions offices toward what it regards as “merit-based” processes that more heavily weigh grades and test scores, arguing that softer measures, such as asking applicants about their life challenges or considering where they live, may be illegal proxies for considering race.

The additional scrutiny is likely to resonate in admissions offices nationwide. It could cause some universities to reconsider techniques like recruitment efforts focused on high schools whose students are predominantly people of color, or accepting students who have outstanding qualifications in some areas but subpar test scores, even if they believe such actions are legal.

“The Trump administration’s ambition here is to send a chill through admissions offices all over the country,” said Justin Driver, a Yale Law School professor who just wrote a book about the Supreme Court and affirmative action and who said he believed that the administration’s understanding of the Supreme Court’s affirmative action decision was wrong. “They are trying to get universities to depress Black and brown enrollment.”

The Trump administration has celebrated getting this data as part of its war on “woke” university policies such as affirmative action and diversity, equity and inclusion programs that it says discriminate based on race.

Because of the Trump administration’s resolution agreement with Brown University, aspiring students will be judged solely on their merits, not their race or sex,” Linda McMahon, the secretary of education, said when the Brown deal was announced, echoing similar comments she had made about Columbia

Woke is officially DEAD at Brown,” President Trump proclaimed on Truth Social in announcing the deal.

The public release of race-related data on admissions could also be valuable to conservative groups who have become the self-appointed enforcers of the Supreme Court decision.

“If this information were obtainable by a Freedom of Information Act request or made public, it would be of great interest,” said Adam Mortara, one of the lawyers for Students for Fair Admissions, the plaintiff in the Supreme Court affirmative action case. “If we could get this and analyze it, we would because we are constantly vigilant and looking out for those who seem not to have gotten the message.”

Columbia and Brown will have to maintain “merit-based admissions policies,” according to their settlements, which codify the administration’s broader aims in legally binding language.

The universities “may not by any means unlawfully preference applicants based on race, color or national origin in admissions throughout its programs,” both agreements state in identical language. “No proxy for racial admission will be tolerated.”

The admissions disclosures will provide the government with data on accepted and rejected applicants broken down by “race, color, grade point average and performance on standardized tests.” While it is not clear what Brown and Columbia’s data will reveal, general data shows that admissions systems that are focused on standardized tests typically help Asian students and harm the chances of Black students.

Of the high school graduates who scored between 1400 and 1600 on the SAT in 2024, the highest possible scores, 1 percent were African American, and 27 percent were Asian, according to the College Board, the private organization that administers the test. About 12 percent of students taking the test were Black and 10 percent were Asian. Some experts consider the tests to be unfair because there are score gaps by race and class.

Student demographics at Columbia and Brown had already started to shift as the 2023 Supreme Court decision took effect.

Among first-year undergraduates entering Columbia in fall 2024, 39 percent were Asian and 12 percent were Black. In the fall of 2023, the entering class was 30 percent Asian and 20 percent Black. (White and Hispanic enrollment dropped slightly from 2023 to 2024.)

At Brown, Asian and white first-year enrollment went up from fall 2023 to fall 2024, while Hispanic and Black enrollment decreased. Not all Ivy League universities, however, showed the same effect.


Trump is an absolute devil. But that title was a bit too wild to believe. So I did what every other people should do, do their own research.

Turns out, it’s a sensationalized title. I can’t really put into words how much I can’t stand people like you. In times like these if you’re going to report what is going on, be accurate. Don’t be a sensationalist fakkit.

“They’re requiring annual admissions datasets that list rejected, admitted (and for Brown, applicants/enrolled) students, disaggregated by race/color/national origin, GPA, and standardized-test performance, in a format suitable for statistical analysis; the schools must also publish aggregate, non-identifiable class stats by those categories each year. The data will be audited by a court-appointed Resolution Monitor at Columbia and by the U.S. government for Brown to check Title VI compliance and whether schools are using race or proxies in admissions after SFFA v. Harvard; it is not a funding formula.”
 

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Trump is an absolute devil. But that title was a bit too wild to believe. So I did what every other people should do, do their own research.

Turns out, it’s a sensationalized title. I can’t really put into words how much I can’t stand people like you. In times like these if you’re going to report what is going on, be accurate. Don’t be a sensationalist fakkit.

“They’re requiring annual admissions datasets that list rejected, admitted (and for Brown, applicants/enrolled) students, disaggregated by race/color/national origin, GPA, and standardized-test performance, in a format suitable for statistical analysis; the schools must also publish aggregate, non-identifiable class stats by those categories each year. The data will be audited by a court-appointed Resolution Monitor at Columbia and by the U.S. government for Brown to check Title VI compliance and whether schools are using race or proxies in admissions after SFFA v. Harvard; it is not a funding formula.”
Let's not get carried away here sir both sides represent the same damn thing , Cheeto is probably a lil more transparent
 

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it's not the number of people who go .. the acceptance rates will be factored in. that's why they want application data.

and i didn't even read the links.
 

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That comment about inner city people today and stuff like this.

Can’t believe people thought this guy would do right.

People really bought this guy’s brand.

This is basically sabotage.
The vast majority of us know what he is and did not vote for him.

This is white people's president. He offered them white supremacy and enough of them thought "well if my life won't get any better, let me make the lives of others worse!"

And here we are.
 

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At this point we really need to seperate and keep to ourselves. With all of this shyt right in the open whats going to be the response of black people? And im not talking about the c00ns who switch sides and then want to run back cause whitey rejected them. I mean the real people that identify with black regardless if they are FBA or caribbean because i do know some jamaicans and africahs who are not on that shytting on black people crap.


Got to start stomping out people talking that maga crap and practice group economics more harshly
 

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Trump is an absolute devil. But that title was a bit too wild to believe. So I did what every other people should do, do their own research.

Turns out, it’s a sensationalized title. I can’t really put into words how much I can’t stand people like you. In times like these if you’re going to report what is going on, be accurate. Don’t be a sensationalist fakkit.

“They’re requiring annual admissions datasets that list rejected, admitted (and for Brown, applicants/enrolled) students, disaggregated by race/color/national origin, GPA, and standardized-test performance, in a format suitable for statistical analysis; the schools must also publish aggregate, non-identifiable class stats by those categories each year. The data will be audited by a court-appointed Resolution Monitor at Columbia and by the U.S. government for Brown to check Title VI compliance and whether schools are using race or proxies in admissions after SFFA v. Harvard; it is not a funding formula.”
No, it's not. The Trump admin is using civil rights law as a weapon to target diversity in college admissions. And by demanding race-based data and threatening universities with the loss of funding, they're effectively punishing schools for admitting too many Black students. They don't say "we're targeting Black students" explicitly, while they engineer outcomes that *functionally* do just that.

This is the long game of Stephen Miller, Edward Blum, and the right-wing legal machine. They use "meritocracy" as a cover to dismantle any tool that helped Black students get a foot in the door, and they're doing it by rebranding civil rights law as a bludgeon *against* civil rights.
 

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I mean, we're no longer fighting for 'black' benefits that we don't benefit from. You saw it with the ICE protests. Bp ain't gon protest this either. HYON.

I don't like where we are, but you push people far enough, this is what you get. FBA are between a rock and a hard place here. Foreign bp been on the internet for at least a decade bragging us how they sweeping us, how wp like them so much better. Ok, now go sweep us in them protests. Good luck.
:dahell: Be serious. Come the hell on. Even if agree I that lineage-based policy would be more difficult to legally challenge, the VAST MAJORITY of black people are descended from SLAVERY. The play is very obvious and if it isn’t one thing it’ll be another. Let’s not delude ourselves into believing otherwise. This is anti-BLACKNESS/ADOS. Call it what you want.
 

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:dahell: Be serious. Come the hell on. Even if agree I that lineage-based policy would be more difficult to legally challenge, the VAST MAJORITY of black people are descended from SLAVERY. The play is very obvious and if it isn’t one thing it’ll be another. Let’s not delude ourselves into believing otherwise. This is anti-BLACKNESS/ADOS. Call it what you want.
Your reply, so offended, addresses nothing in my og comment. WE ARE NOT BENEFITTING. Did you attend an Ivy? Because I did, as I said, ages ago, but the trends were clear.
We officially do not gaf. I'm sad it reached this point, tbh, but here we are. :francis:
 

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Ahmaad Fulton, also a sophomore at Penn and member of Descendants of Afro-Americans at Penn (DAAP), a student-led group, asked, “Just thinking about the amount of African Americans that will be let in next year or the following years to come, is the percentage going to decrease? That’s the biggest concern.”

Camille Zubrinsky Charles, professor of sociology at Penn, said Fulton’s concern is a legitimate one.

Charles co-wrote a 2007 study that disaggregated the ancestral breakdown of Black students at highly selective universities. The researchers found that 41% of Black students at four Ivy League colleges surveyed (Columbia, Yale, Princeton and Penn) were children of foreign-born parents, hailing primarily from sub-Saharan African and Caribbean nations. These first- and second-generation Black Americans were overrepresented in the Ivy League, given that at the time they made up 13% of the Black population at large.

“First- and second-generation Black immigrants have been overrepresented on selective college campuses, and that trend has continued,” Charles said.

There has been no recent comparable research on the lineage of Black undergraduate students in the Ivy League, Charles said. It is unclear, beyond anecdotal observations from those who spoke with NBC News, that first- and second-generation students are indeed overrepresented on these campuses. But since the 2007 study took place, Black migration to the U.S., overall, has increased. First- and second-generation Black Americans now make up 21% of the Black population, according to a 2022 report by the Pew Research Center.

Many students shared frustration that their schools did not have metrics for the portion of the Black undergraduate population that traces its roots to American slavery. The lack of data, they said, made it difficult to articulate how invisible they feel...

An uncertain future​

Brooks, who is a co-chair of the Descendants of Afro-Americans at Penn, said she is worried that the affirmative action ruling may put the future of the club in peril, due to potentially fewer members.

“It’s a scary reality that once we leave, it may no longer be here,” Brooks said. A similar multigenerational Black student club that predated DAAP disappeared after the pandemic, leaving behind little information about who its members were. She fears a similar fate could await her organization, given that it is already hard to recruit members from the small Black American student population.

Twenty five years ago, when I was an undergrad at an Ivy, it felt like 50-50. Can't imagine what it is now.

Yall not gon like it, but I'm sure the majority of FBA agree: if it's not benefitting us, burn it down. Since everybody's being selfish, we've largely decided to do the same.

So you think actively making the lives of all black students (the majority [59%] of which are FBA) harder is going to help any group of black people?
Surely I'm reading this wrong?
 
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