Trump: Brexit plan 'will probably kill' US trade deal

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Another one

Michael Gove: I wanted 'different feel' to Vote Leave campaign

Michael Gove has distanced himself from some of the arguments he made during the Brexit referendum, including claims over levels of Turkish immigration.

The Leave campaign was criticised at the time for suggesting Turkey may join the EU by 2020 and up to 5.2m more migrants could come to the UK by 2030.

In a new book, Mr Gove says it "did not get everything absolutely right".

"If it had been left entirely to me, the Leave campaign would have had a slightly different feel," he admits.

Gove 'wanted different feel' to Vote Leave

So typical of these populists. Spew disinformation and backtrack. But anyone believing Turkey is even close to joining the EU deserves to get played tbh.

 

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So typical of these populists. Spew disinformation and backtrack. But anyone believing Turkey is even close to joining the EU deserves to get played tbh.

lol havent they completed like one requirement of twenty in twenty plus years

 

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lol havent they completed like one requirement of twenty in twenty plus years

Actually they had been making lots of steps in that direction but Sarkozy (with Merkel) deaded all that talk like ten years ago. That's actually one of the reasons Turkey has become more conservative and less secular, Erdogan sensed that level of frustration towards the EU (and the West in general) for not being honest in the whole process and he cashed in big time on that.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Actually they had been making lots of steps in that direction but Sarkozy (with Merkel) deaded all that talk like ten years ago. That's actually one of the reasons Turkey has become more conservative and less secular, Erdogan sensed that level of frustration towards the EU (and the West in general) for not being honest in the whole process and he cashed in big time on that.

Thats actually really interesting, I wonder if they've since reverted to before that progress. I had a turkish friend in college who was talking about how they were really far from entering. she hates erdogan intensely and would prefer the country move in a more secular direction. my impression was he wasnt really interested in joining in the first place.

 

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Thats actually really interesting, I wonder if they've since reverted to before that progress. I had a turkish friend in college who was talking about how they were really far from entering. she hates erdogan intensely and would prefer the country move in a more secular direction. my impression was he wasnt really interested in joining in the first place.

I have a couple Turkish friends (both anti-Erdogan) and both have said that whether he himself was a true believer of joining is up to dispute, but the efforts and reforms undertaken were real. At that time lots of Turkish were in favor of joining the EU, but the EU (especially Sarkozy, but not only) made it clear that basically whatever Turkey would do it would never join (on the heels of the whole bs discussion of possibly adding "Christian roots" to a EU Constitution -what would become the Treaty of Lisbon-). Obviously Turks now felt they were being played as fools, which sparked resentment, which turned into neo-nationalism and a new focus on Islam. Erdogan capitalized on that.

 

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I have a couple Turkish friends (both anti-Erdogan) and both have said that whether he himself was a true believer of joining is up to dispute, but the efforts and reforms undertaken were real. At that time lots of Turkish were in favor of joining the EU, but the EU (especially Sarkozy, but not only) made it clear that basically whatever Turkey would do it would never join (on the heels of the whole bs discussion of possibly adding "Christian roots" to a EU Constitution -what would become the Treaty of Lisbon-). Obviously Turks now felt they were being played as fools, which sparked resentment, which turned into neo-nationalism and a new focus on Islam. Erdogan capitalized on that.

yeah if i was turkish i would absolutely be furious about that whole process. sarkozy was an utter clownbox

 

[88m3]

Pro-Brexit campaign broke election rules, regulator says


Brexit: Vote Leave broke electoral law, says Electoral Commission

feel like this is getting really downplayed

Why aren't the bbc news links embedding properly again btw?

 

[88m3]

@Trajan

 

[88m3]

The Economist
1 hr ·
If nothing changes, Theresa May has three options: threaten a no-deal Brexit, call a general election or hold a second referendum


ECONOMIST.COM

The case for a second Brexit referendum
Chequers mate

 

[88m3]

@Trajan are they really just going to drive over the cliff and say fukk it?

 

[Trajan]

@Trajan are they really just going to drive over the cliff and say fukk it?

Somethings gonna have to give breh

Brexit: Barnier rules out key UK customs proposal

The EU's chief negotiator has ruled out allowing the UK to collect customs duties on its behalf, a key UK proposal for post-Brexit trade.

Michel Barnier said the UK wanted to "take back control" of its money, law and borders - but so did the EU.

The EU would not delegate "excises duty collection to a non-member", he said.

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Michel Barnier wants the UK to make a choice.

If it wants to have frictionless trade with the EU's single market then it will have to join a customs union, or something like it, which will mean applying the EU's tariffs and reducing the scope for doing free trade deals with others.

If it wants more freedom, it will have to agree arrangements with the EU that will reduce friction but not eliminate it altogether.

It's an old tune that sounds different after the publication of the UK's White Paper, which was supposed to have solved this dilemma.

It also sounds like the UK will propose a revamped version of its idea for avoiding a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland but the two sides are still divided on whether that should have a time-limit or not.

Lost among all of this will be the nugget of good news: Big strides have been made on security co-operation after Brexit.

Barnier rules out UK's customs proposal


Also the UK is negotiating from a ridiculous position. Give us a good deal or we'll kill ourself

 

[Trajan]

@Trajan

More things have to light lol



Targeted pro-Brexit Facebook ads revealed

The official Vote Leave campaign spent more than £2.7m on targeting ads at specific groups of people on Facebook - helping it to win the 2016 EU referendum.

The US social media giant has now released these ads to a committee of MPs investigating fake news - meaning everyone, not just those they were originally aimed at, can now see them.

The ads, created by Canadian company Aggregate AIQ, often focused on specific issues - such as immigration or animal rights - thought likely to push the buttons of certain groups of people, based on their age, where they lived and other personal data taken from social media and other sources.


There are 1,433 different messages in the data set released by Facebook, all with one common theme - although it is not always clear that they have come from a pro-Brexit campaign.


Here is one that was targeted at animal lovers:

This one, targeted at tea-lovers, is more obviously pro-Brexit:

Polar bears were also recruited to the cause:

The adverts contained in the Facebook data set were seen more than 169 million times in total. Some of them were micro-targeted, with 252 of them seen fewer than 1,000 times.



Data provided by Facebook suggests some of the most seen images were produced by BeLeave. This image was displayed on the screens of target audience members more than five million times:

Older voters tended to be treated to claims about how much money the UK was sending to the EU. More than 140 ads made reference to the controversial claim that £350m a week sent to the EU could be spent on the NHS instead:

Alternative uses for the £350m included schools and flood defences:

Vote Leave made the most of then US President Barack Obama's intervention in the referendum campaign, when he said the UK would be at the "back of the queue" for trade deals.

This ad was heavily targeted at older voters, () with a reach of up to 25% among woman aged over 65 and 23% of men in that age group targeted by one version of it (as with many of the ads, the accompanying text was tweaked and refined from a basic "parent" ad):

Immigration was another common theme, with one ad appearing to suggest the entire Turkish population was headed for the UK:

Early on in the campaign, Vote Leave launched a giant data harvesting exercise through a competition to win £50m if you could correctly guess the result of all 51 games in the 2016 European football championship.

The odds of winning the contest - which Vote Leave funded through an insurance policy - were calculated at one in 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

It was described by one Vote Leave insider at the time as a potential "game changer" because it would allow it to gather the contact details of thousands of potential voters, many of whom would not normally be interested in the referendum.

The campaign recruited former England cricketer Sir Ian Botham to promote the contest:

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