Trump: 'Robert E. Lee was a great general'

[KingCesar]

Nah. Lee was better. Not taking anything away from president Grant by any means. He was a great commander and leader before his time.Ulysses just had a much better war machine supporting him and his efforts.

It’s not the size of the war machine, it’s how you use it and form your strategy around it. Generals with smaller and weaker armies beat generals with bigger, more powerful armies all the time. And Robert E. Lee was horrible in using the resources he did have. Even with an army that couldn’t afford to sustain big losses, Lee launched two major invasions of the Union and took heavy casualties in costly offensives, only for both those invasions to ultimately fail (Antietam and Gettysburg). In a grand strategy sense, which is where wars are really won and lost, Robert E. Lee failed miserably.

The early part of the war the CSA was doing well.

The CSA did well in one part of the war, the Eastern theatre, and then only briefly. The Union was winning almost everywhere else. And the Western theatre was the more important front, strategically.

The biggest mistake Lincoln had was not having George McClellan who didn't want to use his army and was generally too safe for 3 years. Grant and Sherman were more aggressive but Grant still took L''s- he got that work from Lee in the battle of Chickamauga if you want one example.

Neither Lee nor Grant were directly involved at Chickamauga. That was between William Rosecrans and Braxton Bragg. And it should be noted that Chickamauga was the CSA's most significant victory in the war and Lee didn't even play a part in it.

The point about McClellan actually supports something I said earlier, which is that Lee only succeeded when faced with the Union’s most incompetent generals, and even then he didn’t do particularly well (see: Seven Days or Antietam). More than once, McClellan had Lee dead to rights, but was too scared to actually fight and try to win the war. When Lee came up against a more competent general in Meade, he got beat badly.

And Grant didn’t take any losses on par with Lee’s disaster at Gettysburg, which needs to be considered when discussing what a great military mind Lee supposedly was.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I don't know if that is the question here but if you arguing that Lee wasn't at least equal to Grant in stately then you wrong.

I just finished watching a 7 hour Ken Burns documentary on the civil war on Netflix and some of the shyt Lee did to win battles was brilliant.. he took gambles like splitting his army that worked many times even though he had way less resources.
The biggest mistake Lincoln had was not having George McClellan who didn't want to use his army and was generally too safe for 3 years. Grant and Sherman were more aggressive but Grant still took L''s- he got that work from Lee in the battle of Chickamauga if you want one example.
Difference is Lee had Stonewall Jackson who was a great strategist himself.

In the end Grant and Sherman finally punished those slave holding fakkits and broke their will by burning everything they saw on a march to the sea.. that was the back breaker for the south..

Grant vs. Lee

You don’t know the difference between tactics and strategy.

Tacticians refer to the operation of battles. Strategicians regard the entire operation of a war.

Grant was a far better strategician.

Lee’s gambles to invade the North in 1862 and 1863 failed. He also fought battles which bled the Army of Northern Virginia dry by the end of 1864, rather than employing a Fabian strategy.

Grant and others, by 1864, launched simultaneous operations on many front to keep the Confederacy unable to redeploy its forces while his strategy was to push towards Richmond and destroy the Army of Northern Virginia over a series of gruelling battles during the Overland Campaign.



Finally, Grant’s victory at Vicksburg is nothing to scoff at. Cut the Confederacy in two!

 

[CoryMack]

You don’t know the difference between tactics and strategy.

Tacticians refer to the operation of battles. Strategicians regard the entire operation of a war.

Grant was a far better strategician.

Lee’s gambles to invade the North in 1862 and 1863 failed. He also fought battles which bled the Army of Northern Virginia dry by the end of 1864, rather than employing a Fabian strategy.

Grant and others, by 1864, launched simultaneous operations on many front to keep the Confederacy unable to redeploy its forces while his strategy was to push towards Richmond and destroy the Army of Northern Virginia over a series of gruelling battles during the Overland Campaign.



Finally, Grant’s victory at Vicksburg is nothing to scoff at. Cut the Confederacy in two!

Lee couldn’t employ a Fabian strategy. He had to keep his army on the move just to keep it fed. That’s one of the reasons he went into Maryland, because that land hadn’t been affected by the war and the crops were coming in.

Grants strategy was simple. He had overwhelming numbers and was better supplied so he could play the attrition game. When he lost, and he did, he kept advancing and fighting whereas his predecessors would retreat back to the union lines.

And grant was a lot more brutal than those he replaced, but he had to be to end the war.

 

[Samori Toure]

Trump praised Robert E. Lee at rally in Ohio?

Those some stupid muddafuggas. Trump is a moron and the morons in that crowd probably don't even realize that Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman are from Ohio; and those two dudes kicked Lee's ass. Repeatedly.

I knew that Trump and his followers were stupid though, because last year Trump was in New York City talking about preserving some confederate statues. That would be the equivalent of a black person talking about preserving some KKK memorials.

 

[Samori Toure]

Eh he was too aggressive in some areas and while he won alot of battles early never destroyed a union army and usually had heavy casualties which is something that the south couldn't afford.

In the end he got into a battle of attrition against a larger wealthier power.

He was no Frederick the Great or Napoleon.

He wasn't even a William T. Sherman. They turned Sherman loose and the fukking war ended.

 

[Samori Toure]

In that context Hitler was great as well.

Which Trump will say later. Then Trump will say that there was fault on both sides in the Holocaust.

 

[EndDomination]

Let NBC manipulate your emotions, brehs

1. Robert E. Lee was Lincoln’s first choice to lead the Union. (Lincoln thought he was a great general)

2.

Spoiler

Civil War had nothing to do with the morality of freeing slaves

Shut the fukk up.

 

[Samori Toure]

Nah. Lee was better. Not taking anything away from president Grant by any means. He was a great commander and leader before his time.Ulysses just had a much better war machine supporting him and his efforts. The early part of the war the CSA was doing well. Stonewall was a problem for the union, once he went down it was a downhill slope. Lee even wrote a couple times in his diary how big the loss of jackson was.


There is a reason president lincoln wanted lee to assume the commander of the union forces position

The best General was Sherman. He gave no fukks and where ever he went the war ended. Right there. Lee didn't surrender until he heard that Sherman was headed to Virginia. Lee knew what Sherman had did in Tennessee, Georgia and the Carolinas; so Lee didn't want no smoke.

Sherman's march through the South is what made Lee go to Appomattox.

 

[EndDomination]

I’m Black.

You’re looking at history through an emotional lens. He was a General in a civil war. Like so many others throughout history. To believe that he simply fought to maintain slavery would be to believe that all those northern white men died to end it. And if you believe that you’re a fool. The civil war wasn’t about slavery.

You can’t just hide from the history you’re not comfortable with. That’s how you miss the lessons history contains.

The Civil War wasn’t about slavery
What was that big contentious issue again?
The one that the North tried to appease the South by amending Congressional representation over?
That caused the conflict in expansion?
You know, the *right* that the Southern states wanted to protect?
Must’ve been the cotton gin, huh?
You bytch nikkas disgust me, literally trying to rewrite history in favor of white supreamcists.

 

[thekingsmen]

@Thomas stop trying so hard to understand history....you fail at it and you are upset at me for exposing those you support.

You could never debunk what i put forth.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

The best General was Sherman. He gave no fukks and where ever he went the war ended. Right there. Lee didn't surrender until he heard that Sherman was headed to Virginia. Lee knew what Sherman had did in Tennessee, Georgia and the Carolinas; so Lee didn't want no smoke.

Sherman's march through the South is what made Lee go to Appomattox.

I’m a fan of Meade due to Gettysburg. George Thomas “the Rock of Chickamauga”

 

[Danie84]

A Bigot Scumbag praising another Bigot Scumbag:

 

[CoryMack]

The Civil War wasn’t about slavery
What was that big contentious issue again?
The one that the North tried to appease the South by amending Congressional representation over?
That caused the conflict in expansion?
You know, the *right* that the Southern states wanted to protect?
Must’ve been the cotton gin, huh?
You bytch nikkas disgust me, literally trying to rewrite history in favor of white supreamcists.

You’re the bytch nikka. Just gotta believe crakkkas died en masse to free your sorry ass.

You’re probably one of those who really believe the war on terror is about protecting democracy and fighting Islamic extremists too.

 

[Stone Cold]

Shut the fukk up.

Ok. But only because you said so

 

[JLova]

White people lost their minds when Kaep brought up some good points about Castro. Yet have no issue with Trump praising Robert E Lee. Isn't that interesting?