This thread is about DACA, persons who's parents brought them here, not border crossing in general.
TRUMP TO END DACA VERY SOON; Wants Congress to replace the policy by March 2018
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This thread is about DACA, persons who's parents brought them here, not border crossing in general.
I honestly didn't see anything wrong with the current system (DACA) despite the "legality issues." At this point, if we aren't punishing Citizens (Employers) for hiring illegal workers, then I see no reason why you don't just adjust the system to take into account how long someone has been here, how well they're doing in school, working, etc and push them on through to citizenship. If we are allowing them to work, pay taxes, and support the country you might as well create a viable path towards citizenship.
People who are committing crimes, not being productive members of society should be immediately bushed.
I'm only referring to the dreamers.
Fair enoughI honestly didn't see anything wrong with the current system (DACA) despite the "legality issues." At this point, if we aren't punishing Citizens (Employers) for hiring illegal workers, then I see no reason why you don't just adjust the system to take into account how long someone has been here, how well they're doing in school, working, etc and push them on through to citizenship. If we are allowing them to work, pay taxes, and support the country you might as well create a viable path towards citizenship.
People who are committing crimes, not being productive members of society should be immediately bushed.
I'm only referring to the dreamers.
Definitely a point of conversation that goes unmentioned whenever we talk about the unemployment rate.
It used to be a main talking point of the Obama administration, but it just fell to the wayside.
1) There are job vacancies all over this country.
2) Local jobs and major corporations who are holding onto their cash and not hiring American workers.
Those are 2 separate issues that ending DACA will not solve. It's not as if there are 0 jobs available, and we need to open 800k more for American workers. American companies are not hiring American workers and for the longest they've been using the tax rate argument to hold our labor situation hostage.
They think immigration as a whole needs reform, but dont like the idea of rewarding law breakers in any way.Housing, education, and job training.
What's your white business partner's opinion on the matter?
They both said they don't know why black people are so up in arms, Mexicans dont like blacks... and they used the term Mexicans over and over, not immigrants. I feel thats important
Possible solutions?
Wouldn't any solution be a government regulation? If I'm not a hiring manager at a company that is holding back it's resources, there is no solution I can provide.
But but we should care. 
"On September 5, 2017, DACA was formally rescinded by the Trump administration, but implementation was delayed six months to give Congress time to come up with a solution for the population that was previously eligible for DACA. Currently, there are no people of African ancestry (Melanoid) people enrolled in the program. The participants are all white (Hispanic) and Asian, with a very small amount being from Western Europe (less than 1%)."
"On September 5, 2017, DACA was formally rescinded by the Trump administration, but implementation was delayed six months to give Congress time to come up with a solution for the population that was previously eligible for DACA. Currently, there are no people of African ancestry (Melanoid) people enrolled in the program. The participants are all white (Hispanic) and Asian, with a very small amount being from Western Europe (less than 1%)."
What sort of regulation if any, would you like to see to combat this?
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
- What's the starting pay? Realistically, how's the pay five years in?
- I'm at a party. Girl is a web dev. She asks what I do. "Oh, I'm an apprentice heating and air condibaby where you going?
"
The incentive ain't there like it once was.
AndroidHero
Superstar
Dumping DACA Will Likely Alter Census 2020 in Ways Favorable to Donald Trump
Today's controversial announcement by Attorney General Jeff Sessions that the Trump administration in six months will rescind the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program comes with a government information-sharing follow-up that could have wide-ranging effects on immigrant communities' cooperation (or lack thereof) with representatives from the state.
According to Betsy Woodruff at The Daily Beast, the Department of Homeland Security released a memo today making clear that "Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers will be able to use DACA recipients' personal information to deport them." Meaning, the people who voluntarily handed over their sensitive particulars to the federal government in the hopes of qualifying for non-deportation and a worker's permit may now see that same data used to boot them out of the country.
"Information provided to [the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services] in DACA requests will not be proactively provided to [Immigrations and Customs Enforcement] and [Customs and Border Protection] for the purpose of immigration enforcement proceedings, unless the requestor meets the criteria for the issuance of a Notice To Appear or a referral to ICE under the criteria set forth in USCIS' Notice to Appear guidance," the statement read. More from Woodruff:
"They're saying we will not give your information unless ICE tells USCIS they need it to deport you, which basically means we'll give your information out whenever ICE says it's necessary to deport you," said Leon Fresco, an immigration attorney who represents many DACA recipients. "That's the point."
gearing up for its constitutionally mandated decennial survey of all U.S. residents, legal or otherwise, from which gets derived new legislative districts, formulae for government money-transfers, and—crucially—a rearranged headcount for the House of Representatives. Even prior to today's announcement, the Trump administration's hard line on immigration was making the 2020 task more challenging.
"For immigrants, there's always been a fear that data could be shared with the immigration enforcement arms of the federal government," Arturo Vargas, a member of the Census Bureau's National Advisory Committee on Racial, Ethnic, and Other Populations, told Vox in a piece published Saturday. "Assuring these families that their census data is going to be safe and confidential is going to be a particular challenge for the 2020 census."
Such assurances will be all the more difficult to guarantee given the Bureau's own shameful history of assisting in the notorious World War 2 internment of Japanese-American citizens.
So what happens when illegal immigrants aren't counted correctly? In February of this year, Salena Zito, one of the more perceptive observers of Trump's America, laid out in the New York Post how just a little undercounting here and there could help the president's political bottom line. Excerpt:
Since the Census is the determining factor in the number of House seats allocated to each state, those states with large numbers of illegal immigrants get extra seats (and more power to determine appropriations, electoral votes, etc.) at the expense of others.
States like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania.
"Three of the four states that swung to Trump in the Upper Midwest lost seats in 2012, after the 2010 Census was taken," [Youngstown State University political science professor Paul] Sracic said. Ohio lost two; Michigan and Pennsylvania, one each. "Meanwhile, Texas gained a whopping four seats, while Nevada gained one."
Sracic cites an American University study that found, "If only citizens were counted when apportioning House seats, Michigan and Pennsylvania would each see their one seat restored and Ohio would get back one of the two seats it lost after 2010."
Using that same methodology, California would lose five seats and Texas two seats.
Another way of saying all this is that three of the four Upper Midwest states that swung to Trump in 2016 would gain political power — electoral votes, too — if the number of illegal immigrants were reduced or not counted for census purposes in states such as Texas.
So the Trump administration, which is administering the 2020 Census (with the help of a Republican Congress) has material incentive to produce an undercount of illegal immigrants, and a track record of letting politics grossly distort the available research about illegal voting, all at a time when illegal immigrants have material incentive to tell Census takers to get bent. I think it's a safe bet that the House of Representatives after 2020 will not reflect an accurate headcount of the people who live in America
Source: Dumping DACA Will Likely Alter Census 2020 in Ways Favorable to Donald Trump
This is bigger issue than just illegal immigration, in the long run this will only benefit GOP and white people.
Today's controversial announcement by Attorney General Jeff Sessions that the Trump administration in six months will rescind the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program comes with a government information-sharing follow-up that could have wide-ranging effects on immigrant communities' cooperation (or lack thereof) with representatives from the state.
According to Betsy Woodruff at The Daily Beast, the Department of Homeland Security released a memo today making clear that "Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers will be able to use DACA recipients' personal information to deport them." Meaning, the people who voluntarily handed over their sensitive particulars to the federal government in the hopes of qualifying for non-deportation and a worker's permit may now see that same data used to boot them out of the country.
"Information provided to [the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services] in DACA requests will not be proactively provided to [Immigrations and Customs Enforcement] and [Customs and Border Protection] for the purpose of immigration enforcement proceedings, unless the requestor meets the criteria for the issuance of a Notice To Appear or a referral to ICE under the criteria set forth in USCIS' Notice to Appear guidance," the statement read. More from Woodruff:
"They're saying we will not give your information unless ICE tells USCIS they need it to deport you, which basically means we'll give your information out whenever ICE says it's necessary to deport you," said Leon Fresco, an immigration attorney who represents many DACA recipients. "That's the point."
gearing up for its constitutionally mandated decennial survey of all U.S. residents, legal or otherwise, from which gets derived new legislative districts, formulae for government money-transfers, and—crucially—a rearranged headcount for the House of Representatives. Even prior to today's announcement, the Trump administration's hard line on immigration was making the 2020 task more challenging.
"For immigrants, there's always been a fear that data could be shared with the immigration enforcement arms of the federal government," Arturo Vargas, a member of the Census Bureau's National Advisory Committee on Racial, Ethnic, and Other Populations, told Vox in a piece published Saturday. "Assuring these families that their census data is going to be safe and confidential is going to be a particular challenge for the 2020 census."
Such assurances will be all the more difficult to guarantee given the Bureau's own shameful history of assisting in the notorious World War 2 internment of Japanese-American citizens.
So what happens when illegal immigrants aren't counted correctly? In February of this year, Salena Zito, one of the more perceptive observers of Trump's America, laid out in the New York Post how just a little undercounting here and there could help the president's political bottom line. Excerpt:
Since the Census is the determining factor in the number of House seats allocated to each state, those states with large numbers of illegal immigrants get extra seats (and more power to determine appropriations, electoral votes, etc.) at the expense of others.
States like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania.
"Three of the four states that swung to Trump in the Upper Midwest lost seats in 2012, after the 2010 Census was taken," [Youngstown State University political science professor Paul] Sracic said. Ohio lost two; Michigan and Pennsylvania, one each. "Meanwhile, Texas gained a whopping four seats, while Nevada gained one."
Sracic cites an American University study that found, "If only citizens were counted when apportioning House seats, Michigan and Pennsylvania would each see their one seat restored and Ohio would get back one of the two seats it lost after 2010."
Using that same methodology, California would lose five seats and Texas two seats.
Another way of saying all this is that three of the four Upper Midwest states that swung to Trump in 2016 would gain political power — electoral votes, too — if the number of illegal immigrants were reduced or not counted for census purposes in states such as Texas.
So the Trump administration, which is administering the 2020 Census (with the help of a Republican Congress) has material incentive to produce an undercount of illegal immigrants, and a track record of letting politics grossly distort the available research about illegal voting, all at a time when illegal immigrants have material incentive to tell Census takers to get bent. I think it's a safe bet that the House of Representatives after 2020 will not reflect an accurate headcount of the people who live in America
Source: Dumping DACA Will Likely Alter Census 2020 in Ways Favorable to Donald Trump
This is bigger issue than just illegal immigration, in the long run this will only benefit GOP and white people.
Both side benefit politically from their position.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
I really don't get your purpose in life. You are the ONLY person here who is actively engaged in sexual intercourse with a Mexican. This shyt makes you look bad.
I've had sexual intercourse with all races, I don't see what the problem is, that only looks bad if you are a female that is thinking about having sexual intercourse with me or a homosexual male
@Big L Was the Biggest W you negged me and called me a cracker...for being pro DACA? Did you read what I wrote or you just throwing out words that don't mean things.
You do nothing but take Ls on this board lol what a herb.
