Trump's isolationist foreign policy: Questions NATO and US Military Bases around the World

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Trump is a moron. The fact that he didn't hit Cruz for advocating a police lockdown of American Muslim neighborhoods as the campaign shifts to the northeast is proof that he possesses the political savvy of a possum. He had the perfect opportunity to begin his general election pivot by attacking Cruz as a fascist extremist and making himself look more grounded in reality by standing up for American Muslim families. Instead he's still out there hollering about torture. He doesn't have a Libertarian bone in his body. There will be no moderation, no reconciliation of his views with smart policies because this is all he knows and will ever be. The real Donald Trump has already stood up and he's an ignorant, cruel authoritarian.
 

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Trump is a moron. The fact that he didn't hit Cruz for advocating a police lockdown of American Muslim neighborhoods as the campaign shifts to the northeast is proof that he possesses the political savvy of a possum. He had the perfect opportunity to begin his general election pivot by attacking Cruz as a fascist extremist and making himself look more grounded in reality by standing up for American Muslim families. Instead he's still out there hollering about torture. He doesn't have a Libertarian bone in his body. There will be no moderation, no reconciliation of his views with smart policies because this is all he knows and will ever be. The real Donald Trump has already stood up and he's an ignorant, cruel authoritarian.
Doesn't Trump want to deport all Muslims? How the hell is he supposed to attack Cruz on a Muslim police force? :heh:
 

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Doesn't Trump want to deport all Muslims? How the hell is he supposed to attack Cruz on a Muslim police force? :heh:
He said he wanted to temporarily halt Muslim immigration into the country until he felt secure in their vetting process, which is legal under presidential powers and a position that many Americans (myself included) sympathized with in wake of the San Bernadino shootings (where the wife came in on a marriage visa) and reports that extremists were planted among the thousands of refugees being admitted.
 

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He said he wanted to temporarily halt Muslim immigration into the country until he felt secure in their vetting process, which is legal under presidential powers and a position that many Americans (myself included) sympathized with in wake of the San Bernadino shootings (where the wife came in on a marriage visa) and reports that extremists were planted among the thousands of refugees being admitted.
So, a couple crazed Muslims shooting a place up = bad?

Crazy white people shooting up schools and theaters = cost of being an armed society and let's not change anything?
 

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fukk it, i agree with Trump here. We spending all this money to defend and prop everyone else up and we cant even pay for our own shyt. Let them defend their own shyt and we can start spending the money here.
 

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So, a couple crazed Muslims shooting a place up = bad?

Crazy white people shooting up schools and theaters = cost of being an armed society and let's not change anything?
Yes, when running for the Republican nomination that's pretty much how it works.

His position at the time was beneficial in helping him win primaries by shielding his right/outsider flank from the likes of Ted Cruz and Ben Carson. He was just another candidate in a sea of 10+ who chose outrageous positions to stand out, and obviously it worked for him. My point was that's in the past, and now as the Republican standard bearer with a so-called foreign policy team (which he didn't have at the time he said all of these things), he needs to create separation from those extreme positions.
 

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Trump is smarter than he looks but he seems to be quite ignorant. Or he's just stroking up the nationalistic views.

The US cannot completely disengage and cannot stop being an empire, its what's keeping it alive.

If we disengage why do Japan, China, the Gulf Arabs and everyone else have to buy US treasury bills to keep the USA free credit card going on perpetually?

As soon as the plug is pulled, wouldn't the US sink into a depression that makes 1929 look like a day in a picnic?
The rest of the worlds economies will collapse too, as world trade stops.
China and Russia have become very strategic together to working on alternative financial and trade structure to weather the future storm and sanctions. It's why they were pushing so hard for the Iran Deal and why Iran may become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. But even 20 years from now the best they could do would be maybe 20% of current trade probably less.

Trump also says silly things like Japanese, South Koreans and Germans should pay more for the upkeep of the US troops stationed there.

The reality is that they do shoulder the burden, but making them pay for everything means risking exposing the imperial structure and the reality of those countries relationship with the US.
It would show the world and the citizens of these countries that they are a vassal and not truly independent, people might wake up and develop nationalistic feelings that will be anti-American and anti-empire.

This is why the Establishment has been telling Trump to let sleeping dogs lie..ignorance and apathy should be cultivated.

Agree with nearly all of this:wow:

America is in a damned if it does..damned if it doesn't position :manny:
 

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He said he wanted to temporarily halt Muslim immigration into the country until he felt secure in their vetting process, which is legal under presidential powers and a position that many Americans (myself included) sympathized with in wake of the San Bernadino shootings (where the wife came in on a marriage visa) and reports that extremists were planted among the thousands of refugees being admitted.

:scusthov:
 

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So, a couple crazed Muslims shooting a place up = bad?

Crazy white people shooting up schools and theaters = cost of being an armed society and let's not change anything?
Most nations including the coveted Nordic countries vet immigrants...

:heh:@ reasonable sh*t being crazy when Trump says it
 

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Trump is smarter than he looks but he seems to be quite ignorant. Or he's just stroking up the nationalistic views.

The US cannot completely disengage and cannot stop being an empire, its what's keeping it alive.

If we disengage why do Japan, China, the Gulf Arabs and everyone else have to buy US treasury bills to keep the USA free credit card going on perpetually?

As soon as the plug is pulled, wouldn't the US sink into a depression that makes 1929 look like a day in a picnic?
The rest of the worlds economies will collapse too, as world trade stops.
China and Russia have become very strategic together to working on alternative financial and trade structure to weather the future storm and sanctions. It's why they were pushing so hard for the Iran Deal and why Iran may become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. But even 20 years from now the best they could do would be maybe 20% of current trade probably less.

Trump also says silly things like Japanese, South Koreans and Germans should pay more for the upkeep of the US troops stationed there.

The reality is that they do shoulder the burden, but making them pay for everything means risking exposing the imperial structure and the reality of those countries relationship with the US.
It would show the world and the citizens of these countries that they are a vassal and not truly independent, people might wake up and develop nationalistic feelings that will be anti-American and anti-empire.

This is why the Establishment has been telling Trump to let sleeping dogs lie..ignorance and apathy should be cultivated.


As crazy as it sounds, its all true :wow:
 

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Damn...never thought I say this but I totally agree with Trump on this issue :ohhh:
 
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